Carol Platt Liebau: Remember Ronald Reagan?

Wednesday, July 12, 2006

Remember Ronald Reagan?

How typical -- in this story, ABC's Claire Shipman asserts that Mikhail Gorbachev "is generally regarded as the man who broke down the 'iron curtain' that separated the communist world from the West and thawed the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union."

Please, Claire. We were there. You've got Gorbachev confused with President Ronald Reagan.

I'm sure Gorbachev is a fine person. But it's hard to understand why the MSM continues to hang on his every word with breathless deference. After all, a fair recounting of leadership has to include the fact that he didn't intend the break-u[ and liberation of the satellite states of the Soviet Union -- he was just trying to institute a few reforms that got out of hand . . . and then the Russian people wanted freedom. As President Reagan predicted they would.

9 Comments:

Blogger Dittohead said...

Carol fell for all the propaganda (again).

His efforts to democratize his country's political system and decentralize its economy led to the downfall of communism and the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991. In part because he ended the Soviet Union's postwar domination of eastern Europe, Gorbachev was awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1990.

Gorbachev was the single most important initiator of a series of events in late 1989 and 1990 that transformed the political fabric of Europe and marked the beginning of the end of the Cold War.

More can be found at

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9037405?query=gorbachev&ct=

8:54 AM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...

Carol, the liberals need their delusions or they would self-destruct. That Gorbachev and all the other "former" commies weren't tried as criminals is a shame that Russia still lives with.

Those in the liberal media are experts in re-writting history. Their number one tactic is the big lie. And here, they have been somewhat successful as today you would never know the Left was a big fan of Stalin.

You know, people often lament that America is divide in our war against the Islamic terrorists whereas we were united in WWII. Yes, we were united in the 1940’s but only because the Left viewed America’s involvement as necessary to save their beloved Joe Stalin and his murderous USSR. Fact. As for America's and the world's best interest, the Left could have cared less. These godless fools were too busy buliding their utopia on the bones on millions.

When Hitler & his soul-mate Stalin signed their non-aggression pact, the Left here demanded that the United States stay out of the war in Europe and let England, France and the other countries go under. Fact.

If Hitler didn't break this treaty with the USSR, the Left would have been doing everything to hamper any war effort against the socialistic Nazis - exactly like the Democrats are trying to hamper the war effort against Moslem terrorists today.

9:24 AM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

Gorby has the distinction of outliving President Reagan. This gives him the proverbial "last licks"

Note that the refferences in the Britanica article


"Gorbachev's life and achievements are chronicled in Zhores Medvedev, Gorbachev (1986); Christian Schmidt-Häuer, Gorbachev: The Path to Power (1986; originally published in German, 1985); and Dusko Doder and Louise Branson, Gorbachev: Heretic in the Kremlin (1990)".


reflect a russian or european point of view?

Gorbachev was in a rough spot from day 1 - he had to put down a revolution by his own hardliner - generals, he had a miserable economy. He was the recipient of decades of evidence that a planned economy does not work for a farming community - in other words - he (and the soviets) was broke.

Reagan was playing table-stakes poker and Gorbachev was unarare that he was even ig the game. - Reagan had the resource to keep raising the bet until the soviets folded, quite litterally.

9:34 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Dittohead, you told me on another post that you VOTED
for president Reagan. What happened?

9:54 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Cliff,

History is only of value if we can learn from it. Best example would be the Bible.

Reagan was good, fair and made some tragic errors.

Gorbachev was seriously intent on reforming and democratizing his country. This was out of his strong believes not Reagan twisting his arm and fooling him.

Some of the very bad things Reagan did was:

1) Fund and train Al Qaeda, bin Laden and the Taiban.

2) Leave a vacum of power in Afghanistan even though Gorbachev told Reagan radical fundamentalism would take over the coutry when the Soviet Union withdrew.

3) Fund and supply WMDs to Iraq.
4) Supply weapons to Iran (Iran/Contra).
5) Fund illegal war in El Salvador.

6) His administration drew up NAFTA leading to the illegal immigrant problem. He also gave amnesty to illegal immigrants, giving a green light to more of the same.

7) Bush also said his economic policies were failures and called them "voodoo economics".

10:32 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

"Remember Ronald Reagan?"

Vividly! He's one of my heros. Are we still allowed to have those?

12:32 PM  
Blogger eLarson said...

Fund and train Al Qaeda, bin Laden and the Taiban.
That would be a continuation of the Green Belt strategy that was espoused by Zbig Brzezinski, among others, before Reagan took office.

The Soviets were the focus. No figured on Islamic Jihadists doing anything other than help contain Russia. (That was the essence of the Green Belt.)

Regarding point #3, what is the citation for this?

Regarding point #7, George H. W. Bush was clearly wrong.

12:44 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

During its alliance with the United States in the 1970s and 1980s, Iraq had active programs producing chemical and biological weapons, and researching and working towards production of a nuclear weapon. These programs were actively and knowingly supported by U.S. corporations and the U.S. government, as revealed in 1994 House Banking Committee hearings. Those hearings revealed, among other things, that the American Type Culture Collection, a company outside of Washington DC, had provided Iraq with the seed stock for biological weapons agents including anthrax, botulinum, e-coli and many more, under license by the U.S. Commerce Department.

A leak in the German newspaper die Tageszeitung of some of the 8,000 pages that Washington deleted from Iraq's December 7, 2002, arms declaration provided further information. The deleted sections documented 24 U.S. corporations, 55 U.S. subsidiaries of foreign corporations, and a number of U.S. government agencies that provided parts, material, training and other assistance to Iraq's chemical, biological, missile, and nuclear weapons programs throughout the 1970s and 80s, some continuing till the end of 1990. The U.S. corporations include Honeywell, Rockwell, Hewlett Packard, Dupont, Eastman Kodak, Bechtel, and more. U.S. government Departments of Energy, Commerce, Defense and Agriculture, as well as federal laboratories at Sandia, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore, were also involved.

A major front-page article in the Washington Post (December 30, 2002) further documented U.S. support for Iraq's WMD programs, especially the chemical program, including trade in weapons and other military goods. The article also detailed the active involvement of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, then a special envoy of President Reagan to Iraq, in reestablishing full diplomatic relations and improving trade and other economic ties that bolstered Washington's military support of Iraq.

Other Republican insiders were involved in shady deals that helped build Iraq's WMDs. In 1989, news broke of a secret $4 billion loan made to Iraq by a U.S. branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) of Italy, which at the time employed Henry Kissinger on its Consulting Board for International Policy. Congressman Henry Gonzalez, chair of the banking committee, also noted that an executive of Kissinger Associates met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad in June 1989 at a meeting in which the Iraqi leader apparently expressed interest in expanding commercial relations with the U.S. "Many Kissinger Associates clients received U.S. export licenses for exports to Iraq. Several were also the beneficiaries of BNL loans to Iraq," Congressman Gonzalez wrote in a letter to then-President Bush (senior). Iraq also used the BNL loans to attempt to buy difficult-to-manufacture nuclear weapons components.

1:03 PM  
Blogger Clark Clifford said...

Revisionism, in all its forms, is a dangerous exercise.
While I would be the last man to defend the murderous actions of Uncle Joe, as a democrat and a son of Missouri, I feel obligated to point out that your position:

"You know, people often lament that America is divide in our war against the Islamic terrorists whereas we were united in WWII. Yes, we were united in the 1940’s but only because the Left viewed America’s involvement as necessary to save their beloved Joe Stalin and his murderous USSR. Fact. As for America's and the world's best interest, the Left could have cared less. These godless fools were too busy buliding their utopia on the bones on millions."

Let's not forget that all are here enjoying the sweet fruits of the land called America because our forbears slaughtered and displaced millions of indigenous peoples and held many hundreds of thousands more in bondage. After the emancipation of these slaves, our people, in the name of privilege engineered the laws after the Reconstruction to suit their ends. many of these laws were draconian, some barbaric, most morally insulting despite their support by the church.

So when you speak of the "bones of millions" please remember the foundation underneath the soft seat upon which you sit is made of a very natural form of calcium indeed.

6:34 AM  

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