Carol Platt Liebau: The <i>GOP's</I> Looming Battle?!

Tuesday, July 11, 2006

The GOP's Looming Battle?!

That's the title of EJ Dionne's column today -- and it's a prime example of an intelligent man allowing his wishes to carry his analysis into the realm of the absurd.

Dionne points to four major presidential contenders -- McCain, Giuliani, Romney and Gingrich -- and argues that "each of their leading presidential candidates proposes important breaks with the Bush approach." As a result, Dionne opines, "a Republican Party known for ideological solidarity is on the cusp of a far more searching philosophical battle than are the Democrats." In contrast, he argues, "The Hillary talk is more about persona than ideology."

Talk about the wish being father to the thought! Hillary Clinton is feeling the heat from an ideological fringe that is wielding every bit as much influence in the Democratic Party as the much-maligned "Religious Right" has mustered in the Republican (and judging from opinions like this, it's not all about "persona"). At the same time, Republicans like me will be willing to support any of the four Republicans Dionne names -- because any of them will be infinitely superior to a Democrat who will be susceptible to pressure from the America-hating, cut-n-run brigades of the left.

Certainly, both parties have plenty of divisions. But what's fortunate for the Republicans and unfortunate for the Democrats is that the war on terror -- the #1 issue -- tends to unite the former and divide the latter. The evidence? The new cohesion on the right in the face of the Hamden decision and The New York Times' unconscionable decision to publish classified information about the SWIFT program, compared to the Democrats' division when it comes to the Connecticut Senate nomination race (which has focused primarily on Joe Lieberman's support for the war).

EJ Dionne may hope to see more Republican than Democratic disarray in the run-up to 2008, but wishing doesn't make it so.


Blogger wrabkin said...

So can we assume that when you criticize Clinton for immorality, you are now willing to admit it was nothing more than a convenient tool for a political attack? Because at least two of your chosen candidates are serial adulterers, one of whom dumped his wife when she was in the hospital suffering from cancer, and one who moved his girlfriend into the mayor's mansion after kicking his wife out.

(By the way, I guess you don't really have to answer about Giuliani, since he doesn't have a chance in the South. Wish he did, though. Once reporters start digging into the famed Giuliani/Kerik partnership, oh, man, will that be fun!)

10:24 AM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...

"So can we assume that when you criticize Clinton for immorality, you are now willing to admit it was nothing more than a convenient tool for a political attack?"

No. The immorality you speak of here was Clinton's sexual immorality. And the case against Clinton, aside from getting Lewinskys in the Oval Office, was that he was a habitual philander and abuser of women including charges of rape and unsolicited fondling. There's no legitimate comparsion here between Clinton and Rudy or Newt.

Furthermore, Clinton's immorality was far more than sexual. He and Hillary were swindlers and pathological liars (Travelgate, Filegate, Cattlegate, Pardongate, etc. etc.). Clinton is a convicted liar. Fact. He was fined & had his law license revoked. Fact.

And finally, there are credible charges that Clinton's immorality included selling out American national security to the Chinese Communists.

None of this relates to any Republican that I know of. The Clintons are truly in a sleaze class of their own. Only the likes of a Teddy Kennedy, who some say was responsible for a young woman's death, could compare.

11:02 AM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

Dear Ayatollah,

Your moral relativism is ridiculous. Are you aware that there are many reports of Duh-bya's and Laura's cocaine abuse from their Dallas days? Does it matter to you that Duh-bya's deadly boondoggle has singularly done more damage to our national security than anything you can concoct about Clinton?

I love it when you guys bring up "Filegate, Travelgate," et al. All of those so-called scandals were completely manufactured during one of the most shamelessly partisan eras in our history, the venom of which makes my present-day rantings about the current occupant seem like nothing.

Keep on with it. It's merely a sign of your desperation that you have to go back and rearrange the legacies of ex-presidents to make your current one seem partially competent.

11:17 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Lying about sex seems so benign compared to sexing-up intelligence for a pre-emptive war.

I am truly comforted that after in depth analysis Carol finds the republicans will win regardless of what happens or who runs in 2008.

The republicans will run on capturing bin Laden and treasonous acts of the NYT. Heck of good thinking here. Where do I send my 25 bucks for the magnetic bumper sticker.

11:22 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

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11:23 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Being part of the much-maligned "Religious Right", I don't feel like fringe, I feel like a broad sweeping generalization. Just trying to do as God would want me to do, amen.

But if those are the 4 we will get to choose from, I'm saddened...and I'd go with Romney, Gingrich, McCain, Giuliani in that order. Then if the race came down to Giuliani vs. Lieberman...I'd probably go with Lieberman...but we don't have to worry about that, do we?

11:24 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Wrabkin, Duke-stir and Dittohead, Of course you can believe whatever illusions you and others want to believe, BUT as you
blow smoke amoungst yourselves inside the bubble that you live in, do
you realize that the world is passing you by? Remember
these words. Republicans will keep both houses of Congress, the President will NOT be impeached and the next President will be a Christian conservative!
You can count on it!

12:59 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...


What do you think you are talking about? Newt Gingrich has dumped four (maybe only three, I lose count) wives. Fact. Rudy Giuliani moved his girlfriend into the mayor's mansion -- WHERE HE LIVED -- and threw out his wife. What part of this is not the sexual immorality you claim to disapprove of? Or is it simply that sexual immorality is a club with which you beat your political opponents, but which is fine if your friends do it?

By the way, there were no "charges" of rape. There was an allegation. Even Ken Starr couldn't make anything out of it.

The rest of those Gates are, of course, ludicrous conspiracy stories made up to blind the dummies. But then, a man as wise as you must know that.

And the "credible charges" that Clinton is a traitor? Carol does not allow the kind of language that is the only proper response to such a vicious, baseless, and yes, evil slander.

1:23 PM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...

Clinton is a traitor. The New York Times, too.

The facts seem to hurt the godless Left as Ann Coulter demonstrates regularly in her books & columns.

Funny, but wrabkin didn't rise to defend that fat slob of a senator from Mass.

Now that I think of it, why do liberals care more about murderous Islamic terrorists than they do U.S. Marines?

Why do Democrats seem to wish for American failure in the war against terrorism and imply that American military power is a danger to the world rather than the liberating force it is?

And why do the Democrats hate George Bush so much that it blind them to the point where they will jeopardize national security just to score cheap political points against him?

And why won’t Democrats protect the US border, the American flag, or wholesome family values?

Part of the answer is that they resent middle America for rejecting them and their politics of perversion.

2:32 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

23% of us are losers.

Former Nixon White House Counsel John Dean discussed his intriguing new book "Conservatives without Consciences". In it he described how his discussions with the late Barry Goldwater, the nominal father of the modern conservative movement, evolved from talking about just how far a field that movement has grown to a discussion of how authoritarianism has crept in and taken over the Republican Party.

According to his findings into the psychology of authoritarianism, a vast majority of Conservatives are drawn into the Leader/Follower archetype, where the Leaders are considered infallible, and the loyalty of the Followers is completely unshakable. About "23% of the populace falls into the follower category" said Dean. "These people are impervious to fact, rationality and reality”. And their "Numbers are growing".

Let’s just face it, 23% of us can not even think.

3:39 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

The left's hatred and rage
is burning out of control because they know that their Socialist, gravy train, "the government will do it all for you," tax and spend life style is coming to an end. The era of the nanny-state government is over!

3:41 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Bush wants high-fives all around for yet another massive budget deficit.

Today, the Office of Management Budget projected a $296 billion federal deficit for fiscal year 2006. Bush held a press conference arguing that this is a vindication of his economic policies.

Actually, it would be the fourth largest deficit of all time. Here's the top five:

1. 2004 (George W. Bush) $413 billion
2. 2003 (George W. Bush) $378 billion
3. 2005 (George W. Bush) $318 billion
4. 2006 (George W. Bush) $296 billion (proj)
5. 1992 (George H. W. Bush) $290 billion

When President Bush came into office, he inherited a surplus of $284 Billion. At that time, the Bush administration predicted a $516 billion surplus for 2006.

I remember when Republicans thought deficits were bad. Now they are celebrating them.

3:48 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

On the subject of, GOP's
Looming Battle, Bob Novak
will speak tomorrow on Plame Gate. He says in part,
BOB NOVAK, "My Leak Case Testimony: 'I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in 'Who's Who in America'... MORE... Published reports that I took the Fifth Amendment, made a plea bargain with the prosecutors or was a prosecutorial target were all untrue... MORE... My primary source has not come forward to identify himself... MORE... Bill Harlow, the CIA public information officer who was my CIA source for the column confirming Mrs. Wilson's identity... I answered questions using the names of Rove, Harlow and my primary source... I considered his wife's role in initiating Wilson's mission, later confirmed by the Senate Intelligence Committee, to be a previously undisclosed part of an important news story. I reported it on that basis"
Finally the truth is startng to come out!

3:57 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

You might as well shoot this down now, Dittohead because if came from the evil, DRUDGE REPORT!

4:00 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

Mr Ayatollah:

Just out of curiousity, exactly what percentage of the American populace do you advocate executing? Now that you're finding traitors everywhere, even in our former presidents, I'm sure that a good 40% of us should be killed.

I won't comment on the irony of a self-styled patriot who feels the country would be better if 100 million Americans were murdered by his ideological ilk.

Why is it you hate the American people, Ayatollah? And how many do you think should be allowed to live?

4:42 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

Yes, the left's hatred and rage... as prominent right-wing bloggers scream for the execution of five members of the Supreme Court and the editor of the New York Times... as Mr. Ayatollah accuses liberals of favoring terrorists over Marines... and accuses of a perverse lifestyle because our politics are not the same as his. Oh, the hatred and the rage... thank God you guys are filled with sweetness and light.

Oh, and Ayatollah -- Ted Kennedy did a terrible thing at Chappaquidick many years ago. He's also been a great senator for 40 years, doing more to make this country better than just about any other political figure alive -- even if he is fat. I deeply regret and will not forgive his moment of moral cowardice... but at least he's worked to make this country better, unlike any Republican senator out there.

4:47 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

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5:01 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


So where is the yellow-cake?

Bush has already given sworn testimony that he ordered Cheney to take Wilson down. He also said he declassified Valerie Plame.

So the obvious is that the mushroom cloud was a really big lie used to terrorize Americans for their support of an unnecessary war. There was no threat.

5:02 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


Let me add.

I don't give much thought about Rove. Justice would be that he goes down for the dirty games he and Bush played against McCain in the 2000 primaries.

I find it amazing that AWOL Bush and five deferment Cheney were calling McCain a weak and crazy traitor.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

Ayatollah, where did you get your blinders? Did they pass them out at one of the canned campaign rallies for Our Great Leader?

You are hilarious.

5:53 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Ditto asks,"So where is the yellow-cake?" Why does it matter? I know, I know,
Ditto, you got me! As I told you before, the President had the authority
from the first day of his
presidency to "change the regime" in Iraq with the power of the Iraq Liberation act of 1998, passed by congress, and signed into law by Clinton.
A question for you, Where is the almost 30 billion in
Oil for Food money that Sadaam paid to the UN, as undercover hush money so that he could conceal his illegal weapons purchases from whom? Oh yea, FRANCE,
RUSSIA, and GERMANY. And who were they...oh yea, the
same three who voted and rebelled against us from going into Iraq. Why? So that we wouldn't find out that those three countries were ILLEGALLY selling Sadam wepons that were BANNED by the UN!

7:20 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


The US currently has a resolution on Cuba for a regime change. It is not a declaration of war.

Try reading Paul Vocker’s report on UN food for oil!

There was no nuclear program (Joe Wilson & others), no WMDS (various inspectors), no link to Al-Qaeda (9-11 commission and others). Bush & Cheney sexed-up the intell (Downing St Memo and others) and Bush has never denied it.

9:03 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Ditto, you need to do a LOT
more reading of current events. Since your talking points were issued, ALL of your points have been debunked! But, as I am learning the hard way,it is
useless to debate with you because you ignore and disregard truths that don't fit your template.
You dance around everyones
questions, as you do mine,
and NEVER answer any of them. Did you know that Saddam was ILLEAGALLY obtaining weapons that were
banned by the UN, and sold to him by France, Germany and Russia?

9:38 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


If you mostly watch FOX, you are not getting the news.

Nothing I wrote has been debunked by any reliable and credible sources.

Our military overthrew Hussein in a week, drove right up the highway and guess what. Not a single WMD or nuclear weapon was fired. Such a threat. Fact was that none of the neighboring countries, including Kuwait and Isreal thought he was a threat. Just Cheney cooking the intell and creating a 900 page plan to privatize the oil reserves.

11:57 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Thats because Russia was moving several truck loads of WMD's to the Becca
Valley in Syria. The Satellite pictures show that.

9:46 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

And then puff they all vanished! LOL

11:48 AM  
Blogger eLarson said...

[Ted Kennedy has] also been a great senator for 40 years

He did bless us with the HMO act of 1973 and its ammendment in 1978.

And the last immigration compromise in 1986. About that, he said back in 1991 "We aimed at illegal aliens, but we hit law-abiding Americans."

I'm not sure what else he's done, but on those two points, I'm not feeling the Greatness.

12:59 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Ditto, "And then puff they all vanished!" You sound like you've been to Syria,
is that so? The Syrian army
guards that region with
fierce intensity, our forces have no military reason to go in there at this time.

1:16 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


I'm not going to waste my time discussing conspiracy theories.

2:23 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Wrabkin said:

"Mr Ayatollah:

Just out of curiousity, exactly what percentage of the American populace do you advocate executing? Now that you're finding traitors everywhere, even in our former presidents, I'm sure that a good 40% of us should be killed.

I won't comment on the irony of a self-styled patriot who feels the country would be better if 100 million Americans were murdered by his ideological ilk.

Why is it you hate the American people, Ayatollah? And how many do you think should be allowed to live?"

I must have missed something. Where did anyone on this site recommend executing 100 million American citizens?

Is Ditto quoting polls again or something?

11:45 AM  

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