Carol Platt Liebau: Ivory Tower Nonsense

Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Ivory Tower Nonsense

According to this piece, five deans of Ivy League journalism schools have somehow come to the conclusion that it was wrong for Robert Novak to disclose Valerie Plame's identity (even as they incorrectly label her a "covert" agent) -- even as they support The New York Times' decision to reveal classified national security information about a program that was successful in tracking terrorists who want us dead.

Like a good portion of the MSM, the deans argue that little substantial harm was caused by the Times' revelations.

But as the linked piece notes,

The European Parliament just voted to demand European banks reveal the extent of their cooperation in the American war on terrorism. The Belgium prime minister has launched an investigation into the matter. Will these events undercut efforts to track terrorist financing? It’s a very real possibility.

Those sound like pretty important ramifications to me. What's more, Hugh Hewitt posts congressional testimony from Stuart Levey, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, U.S. Department of the Treasury, who
has testified before Congress about the very real damage the disclosures have caused.

It's quite amazing -- and disheartening -- that the deans of supposedly premier journalism schools would be either so ignorant or so careless with the facts and heedless of the truth. But it's not surprising . . . and ends up revealing quite a lot about why the elite MSM is despised for its arrogance, and held in such low esteem by such a substantial portion of the American people.


Blogger Dittohead said...

Valerie Plame was a covert intelligence officer covered by the Intelligence Officer's Identity Protection Act. per the opinion written by Judge Tatel, of the U.S. Court of Appeals, and released in February 2005.

I agree with the Deans findings. Bush and his administration broadcast and boasted about the financial spying program.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Hold it! Plame was NEVER proven to be covert. The CIA refuses to say. As to the financial spying program, even if the terrorists knew that they could have been financially tracked, the fact that they continued to use the system was beneficial to us in that we
were able to watch the money and where it flowed. The fact that they NOW know for SURE is the big problem. The main problem with the leak is that it was ILLEGAL for the media to do so, let alone the issue of national security!

10:13 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


Are you saying the US Court doesn't count. Obviously Judge Tatel found that she was covert.

4000 tons of opium are produced in Afghanistan. Do you honestly think they don't know how to launder money?

There is nothing in NYT article that is not available in much more detail on the internet. Even the Whitehouse website explains the program in a fair amount of detail. The UN has very specific and detailed information.

The NYT is revealing to an innocent American but, not to anyone intent on laundering money, commiting crimes, acts of wars, etc.

Fact is the Republicans are playing voters for the idiots that they are. Trying to get their base to the voting both this fall.

11:37 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

You didn't answer ONE question that I asked you.
I have a better one, what are you trying to accomplish in your unrelenting quest to bash Bush? I mean he'll be gone
in just over two years, then who will you bash? What's the point of it all,
what do you think it will accomplish? I just don't get it.

11:57 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

You didn't ask even one question.

12:30 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Give it up, Cliff -

As this line and the next prove, you cannot reason with an extremist left winger determined to fill every nook and cranny with anti-Bush venum. For all the Bush mistakes that I have issues with, there is still more good coming out of this administration than bad.

Keep your blood pressure under control and only respond to those of us engaged in legitimate discourse.

4:56 AM  
Blogger R Platt said...

Frankly, I couldn’t care less what the “MSM believes or what some professors of journalism schools assert. The fact is that they are subversive entities operating within a sovereign nation at that nation’s detriment. Nobody elected the commercial media bosses or their gaggle of journalist majors to provide us with moral, spiritual or national defense guidance. It’s time to stop this nonsense and begin prosecuting those that intentionally undermine our war efforts and damage our national security.

5:34 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Right on!

Correctly stated, r platt.

5:38 AM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...

This shows the utter hypocrisy of the liberal media.

Fortunately, these snobs are becoming more irrelevant by the day thanks to blogs like this one, talk radio, FOX News, and opinion magazines.

The liberals are now no longer be able to strangle the truth as they are accustomed to doing. In fact, if the communication outlets we have today existed in the 1960’s,, the Left would never have been able to stab America in the back in Vietnam.

So let these media mutts bark on; their day has passed - and they know it.

5:55 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Study show FOX viewers most delusional.


What percent of audience members held one or more of three misperceptions
about the war? (Source: Program on International Policy Attitudes.)
Fox 80%
CBS 71%
ABC 61%
NBC 55%
CNN 55%
Print media 47%

7:18 AM  
Blogger Pete said...


Use liberal sources to 'prove' conservatives are delusional! Definitely unbiased reporting! Well, let's all leap to the left, guys!


8:21 AM  
Blogger dodger said...

I don't give a rat's what Judge Tatel says. Good name, though. How would he even know? If he knows, he's the only one who does seem to know. Fitz doesn't seem to know. What a farce. A prosecutor who doesn't even know if a crime was committed, yet seems intent on convicting someone of something. I take that back, apparently the crime is revealing classified information, of some sort. Yet, the NYT reveals classified information on the front page of its newspaper and its ho hum.

8:29 AM  
Blogger suek said...

Those of you interested in the Plame case might enjoy reading the following article.

8:37 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Suek, thanks, that was excellent!

9:35 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Thanks for all you level headed delisional right wingers that watch FoxNews, and listen to Hugh Hewitt!

I'm glad you all are posting, I stopped reading most of dheads tripe long ago. He should just get a life and go wallow over with the Kosmonauts. Then they can all agree that Valerie Plame was the key, and SWIFT, and transnational phone calls were already known by everyone anyway. Hypos.

10:13 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


It is the GOP wallowing at the K-Street pig trough. Good word.

1:21 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Carol dissembles, "even as they incorrectly label her a 'covert' agent..."

Whether or not Valerie Plame was a covert agent is a legal question. As Dittohead correctly pointed out, this claim has already been adjudicated in the Scooter Libby case and Judge David Tatel found that Plame was covert*. Moreover, this ruling has been discussed on Carol's blog, so it would be difficult for Carol to play the "poor ignorant me" card.

Here is an excerpt of Judge Tatel's ruling, "As to the leaks' harmfulness, although the record omits specifics about Plame's work, it appears to confirm, as alleged in the public record and reported in the press, that she worked for the CIA in some unusual capacity relating to counterproliferation. Addressing deficiencies of proof regarding the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the special counsel refers to Plame as 'a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years' — representations I trust the special counsel would not make without support."

Cliff, SueK, R Platt, etc. Carol will never learn to stop lying if you keep enabling her. Carol will just keep dishing out the plates of poo to all y'all and keep telling you it's Boston Creme Pie. Yum, yum tasty poo.

5:20 PM  
Blogger R Platt said...

There has been absolutely no credible proof that Plame was a protected covert agent. Hundreds of people work for the CIA and their employment and identity are public knowledge. This entire episode is a sham concocted by leftist operatives and it will soon be trashed like a piece of rotten fish. Furthermore, no amount of incoherent obfuscation will change the final outcome.

6:34 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

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6:46 PM  
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6:48 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Platt,

Can you link us to a credible source supporting your claim that Judge Tatel's finding was overturned?

6:49 PM  
Blogger R Platt said...

Tatel’s conclusions were based exclusively on Fitzgerald’s shallow but artful affidavit and his blatantly one-sided investigation. Fitzgerald provided no credible evidence of Plame’s prior covert status nor did he show that any person knowingly revealed that Plame was a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal. Tatel’s opinion was based on conjecture and contrived logic and will ultimately be shown to be invalid.

7:27 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Plat,

So how is it you know so much and the CIA, DOJ, Fitzgerald, grand juries and three judges are all wrong.

8:31 PM  
Blogger R Platt said...

You're arguments and your logic are becoming vague, nonsensical and somewhat circular. Precisely what wrongness are you attempting to understand?

4:59 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Platt,

Your insults reflect the weakness of your opinions.

8:12 AM  
Blogger R Platt said...

To the contrary . . . your inability to present a strong, organized rebuttal reflects your apparent ineptness.

8:40 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Platt,

As I said your opinion is just that. And you proved it is based on nothing.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Greg said...


I would completely ignore all of your posts if weren't for the occasional nugget like this:

"...Carol will just keep dishing out the plates of poo to all y'all and keep telling you it's Boston Creme Pie. Yum, yum tasty poo."

That is funny! Gross, but funny!

12:12 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Platt,

Let us know how crow tastes.


CIA officer whose identity was leaked to reporters sued Vice President Dick Cheney, his former top aide and presidential adviser Karl Rove on Thursday, accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career.

Valerie Plame and her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador, accused Cheney, Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby of revealing Plame's CIA identity in seeking revenge against Wilson for criticizing the Bush dministration's motives in Iraq.

The lawsuit accuses Cheney, Libby, Rove and 10 unnamed administration officials or political operatives of putting the Wilsons and their children's lives at risk by exposing Plame.

"This lawsuit concerns the intentional and malicious exposure by senior officials of the federal government of ... (Plame), whose job it was to gather intelligence to make the nation safer and who risked her life for her country," the Wilsons' lawyers said in the lawsuit.

1:14 PM  
Blogger suek said...

>>The lawsuit accuses Cheney, Libby, Rove and 10 unnamed administration officials or political operatives of putting the Wilsons and their children's lives at risk by exposing Plame.>>

Interesting. I think they're going to get fried, but time will tell. Like in the OJ trial, there's stuff that can be done in one venue that can't be done in another. Guess we'll see....

2:59 PM  
Blogger R Platt said...

That lawsuit is absolute nonsense. What we have here is a desperate woman that saw the criminal case crumbling and just couldn’t stand the thought of losing her contrived celebrity status. I'm not sure whom you are cooking crow for but I won't be dining with you.

4:15 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

R Platt

I take it you're an attorney with all the BS you toss about and your warped logic. Considering she has not been on any talk shows and refused interviews, she sure has a strange way of playing the celebrity.

I can't wait, next you'll tell me she chases dollar bills in a trailer park.

5:02 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

If Valerie Plame WASN'T covert, (and if this case goes forward, we will know early on if that is true),then the WHOLE THING will fall apart and collapse!!!!! The CIA won't
say publicly if this is true or not, but strong evidence says that either she wasn't or that the stipulations that were written into the statute were not met. IMO, this case will never see a court
room, and if that happens...let the crow eating begin!

7:58 PM  

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