Carol Platt Liebau: Rudy for Real?

Sunday, July 16, 2006

Rudy for Real?

This piece offers a solid analysis of how and why Rudy Giuliani could win the Republican nomination. In particular, the advice about abortion echoes what I have said here.

However, there's one elephant in the room that the author isn't acknowledging. That's Giuliani's somewhat unsavory past marital life, and it, too, may be a real stumbling block for a lot of conservatives. Mr. Giuliani needs to find a way to signal that he regrets what is past, and has committed himself to living a new life in a new way -- not an easy task, but an important one. Without explicitly addressing the situation, there's the danger that he comes off as someone who was dating one woman (openly, and when he was in the public eye) while married to another. And that's going to be unacceptable to many, many conservatives if it goes unaddressed.


Blogger Ruth Anne Adams said...

Here's where Republicans can take a lesson from the Democrats. They forgave the Bill/Hillary flagrant violations, no?

Speaking as a Catholic, however, I might have more difficulty about the three marriages, but that might be a beef with the Church more than Rudy.

It would take the wind out of the "Republicans-are-sexual-prudes" sail, too.

10:29 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

New York mayors don't sell well in the Red States especially when the candidate blatantly lacks core religious and family values.

We can say similarly that Gingrich serving divorce papers to his wife as she lay in the hospital shows a complete lack of character and core values.

11:04 AM  
Blogger Alan Kellogg said...

Rudy's marital misadventures may well give him an advantage with conservatives. A group that has more actual experience with marital discord and dissolutions than most any other segment of society. Why else does country music deal with it so often? :)

Tell you the truth, the Common Man will forgive most anything, so long as he's sure you'll do right by him. Some things he won't forgive, but messy divorces aint one of them. Alabama rednecks show more understanding and acceptance of human nature than most New York sophisticates.

Don't sell Homo cervexicrimonus short.

11:30 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

The most compelling aspect is who will deal with terrorism most effectively. If Guilli wins the primary, that's what gets him my vote. His personal life is unfortunate and disgraceful, but social issues have to take a back seat when murderers are trying to kill Americans.

ditto needs to remember that red staters are a tad more thoughtful than he would like to believe. Guilli against any of the touted Dem prospects is the better choice almost automatically. Guilli's being a New Yorker might be more of a factor in the primaries for those who are more superficial, but in the general election, it's too dangerous for the country to allow a few negatives to keep Dems out of office.

As a side note, I've never heard an explanation of the circumstances surrounding the Gingrich episode, so I'll just assume the reference is another liberal spinjob.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

Brain cramp alert!!

It should have read:

"'s too dangerous for the country to allow a few negatives to help Dems regain power."

There. That's better...sort of.

11:48 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


A thoughtful and serious person would know why the leader of the house and party resigned. Rudy got taken to the cleaner in running against Hillary. He doesn't have a chance and he has no foreign experience that will be key, if the world is more unstable.

12:14 PM  
Blogger Ruth Anne Adams said...

Dittohead: I believe Rudy withdrew from that race because of prostate cancer. I do not recall him being "taken to the cleaner." Rick Lazio? Yes. Rudy? No. I personally am glad he was at the helm of NYC as mayor on 9/11.

He has a lot of foreign experience just dealing with the diplomats at the United Nations in his hometown.

9/11 changed many things; among them, Rudy's cache with us Red-Staters.

Carol: Rudy's cancer got me thinking along these lines: I wonder if the typical medical record issue will be handled differently if there's a woman party nominee. Perhaps Hillary [should she be the nominee] will claim a greater right to privacy about "female problems" or some such. It's kinda' fun just thinkin' about it.

2:08 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


You're correct, I'm sorry I forgot he withdrew yet, I do recall that was right after his mistress made the news.

2:32 PM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...


Rudy cannot win the GOP primary.

Come on! The article you cited was written by an Algore campainger; how realistic can that kook be?

Look. Rudy is on the wrong side of just about all the hot button social issues. He's for:

1. Abortion
2. Homosexual agenda
3. Gun control, and
4. Illegal immigration

You can't get any worse than that.

And as you said, outside of NYC, people do not know of Rudy's sordid personal life and messy divorce & adultry. When the GOP base hears the details, those high poll numbers which Rudy currently has will fall like a rock.

Furthermore, although Rudy's current business is making him tons of money, it's also creating many political liabilities that he will have to answer for.

And what about Rudy's health. Don't forget, he dropped out of the New York senate race against the Hildabeast because he had prostrate cancer. Yes, the cancer is now in remission, but many voters still will not want to take a chance on it coming to life again.

And then there's terrorism. Rudy is perceived as a terrorism expert, but why? It's because he stood in the rubble of the Twin Towers and gave orders on that fateful day. The fact is, Rudy has ZERO military experience. his experience in foreign affaires is limited to his recent business dealings. Big deal.

It may be true that the powerbrokes want a guy like Rudy. But the grass roots conservative GOP base will never accept him. Never, probably not even as a v.p. nominee.

The best Rudy can hope for is a high cabinet position like at Justice or Homeland Security.

6:08 PM  
Blogger Alan Kellogg said...

the ayatollah,

You don't want a president who agrees with you, you want a president who leads. He supports gay marriage, that's his business. What matters to mainstream Americans is what he intends to do regarding real threats to this country.

The volume of opposition is rarely indicative of the volume of opposition.

6:17 PM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

It's funny when Ayatollah writes: "And then there's terrorism. Rudy (Duh-bya) is perceived as a terrorism expert, but why? It's because he stood in the rubble of the Twin Towers and gave orders on that fateful day. The fact is, Rudy (Duh-bya) has ZERO military experience. his experience in foreign affaires is limited to his (father's) recent (no, lifelong) business dealings. Big deal."

6:29 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

There are a lot of Americans who are currently one-issue voters. That one issue being the War on Terror.

I'm one of those voters.

I deplore the spending practices allowed by the Bush Administration. But I still support him because he is steadfast and unmoveable on the most important issue of the day. He will not be deterred from going after those who are trying to kill us all.

We can sort out the economic and social issues after we survive the Islamic Holy War.

I feel the same way about the coming election. Whichever candidate convinces me they are the most serious about winning the war will get my vote.

I think Gulliani is serious about winning the war. That's good enough for me. I also think he's smart enough to let the military professionals do their job.

But what I think makes Gulliani a great candidate (Remember, I'm currently a one-issue voter) is that he is a very good speaker. He may be just the candidate to remind Americans why this war is necessary and why we need to fight it and win it.

10:58 AM  

Post a Comment

<< Home