Carol Platt Liebau: Dumb or Delusional

Friday, July 14, 2006

Dumb or Delusional

It's apparently hard for Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson to relinquish the spotlight -- so now, they plan to keep it shining brightly by suing Vice president Cheney, Karl Rove, Lewis Libby and 10 others for conducting a "whispering campaign" that hurt Plame's career.

Only two things can explain this decision: Either they're dumb, and they don't understand what this lawsuit could mean for them; or they're delusional -- and they've really convinced themselves that they've been mistreated.

First, it's hard to believe that Valerie Plame was a covert agent under the law, especially since Patrick Fitzgerald declined to prosecute anyone for "outing" her, despite earlier statements that suggested this was very much on his mind. And, of course, there are inconvenient facts like these (others at the CIA denying that Plame was "covert" at all).

Second, no one yet has shown that anyone knowingly or negligently said anything about Valerie Plame that was, in fact, untrue. And barring evidence of something like that, it seems hard to argue that Plame's entitled to compensation because someone whistle-blew about her machinations to send her husband to Niger -- and, as a result, her career was damaged.

There's likewise a case to be made that the Plame/Wilson's own behavior -- like Wilson's own politicking and untrue NY Times op/ed -- contributed to Plame's work problems, and judging from the celebrity-Vanity-Fair-cover-spread life they've been living, it's not going to be that easy to prove they've been badly damaged.

Strategically, it strikes me as a very bad move for Plame/Wilson and the left. They've bled most of the potentially embarrassing information from Rove, et. al -- now it's Rove et al.'s turn to find out a few questions of their own: How, exactly, did Plame arrange for Wilson to go to Niger? Who else in the CIA was involved, and in what capacity? Of course, the list of questions goes on, and could, potentially, be quite revealing on many fronts.

What's more, it's just one more opportunity to drive home the fact that Joe Wilson is, in fact, a liar from start to finish.

It's true: They've got to be either dumb or delusional to open this can of worms.

25 Comments:

Blogger The Ayatollah said...

Yes, the Wilsons are either dumb or delusional - or both.

Now realize that the government bureaucracy (CIA, State, etc., etc.) is loaded with clowns like the Wilsons, people who never did a day's honest work in their pampered lives but think they are so above the rest of us that they can abuse their position to further their own liberal agenda. This fact, as much as anything, is what could well lose the war on terrorism and kill this republic of ours.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Quite frankly I think Carol is delusional.

Yesterday, she referenced an article by Michael Ledeen, who is calling for yet another regime change but now in Iran. This person is alledged to have been involved in the yellow-cake forged documents from Italy.

No, Joe Wilson did not lie, everything he said has proven to be true. Saddam never bought yellow-cake.

I'm sure Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame will be vindicated and restitution will be made by Bush & Co. for their dirty deeds.

And Carol you are quickly losing all credibilty and your childish GOP talking point ranting is becoming irrelvant.

10:46 AM  
Blogger HouseOfSin said...

Carol, they may be delusional or dumb. But my money's on opportunistic.

They have a book to sell. A lot of the oomph (realized in money from a book and speeches) got deflated when Fitz announced he would not seek indictments against key players.

They are thinking now, with that angle gone, how best to keep us in the news? I know! A lawsuit!

Honestly, I'm unimpressed with both of them. I am very impressed with you, Carol.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

I guess even toadies have toadies.

10:56 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

This case, if it comes to trial, will flush out real quick the answer to whether or not "Miss Plame" was covert or not. That's what I'm waiting for! Get the popcorn ready!

11:33 AM  
Blogger suek said...

>> This case, if it comes to trial, will flush out real quick the answer to whether or not "Miss Plame" was covert or not.>>

Well, we can hope. However, the CIA apparently refused to testify when Fitzpatrick wanted their testimony, so can a civil suit lawyer suceed here?

11:41 AM  
Blogger suek said...

>> Quite frankly I think Carol is delusional.>>

So...why are you here? do you frequent many blogs you consider authored by delusionary individuals, or is Carol special in some way?

11:42 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Good question, suek.

11:48 AM  
Blogger The Ayatollah said...

suek asked of dittohead:

"So...why are you here? do you frequent many blogs you consider authored by delusionary individuals, or is Carol special in some way?"

Let me help, Suek.

Dittohead and Lefties of his ilk are like the walking dead. They have no ideas of their own; all they can do is spew out their inner hate for both George Bush and much of America.

But ... like the living dead, these liberals & Democrats are irresistably attracrted to the light of the living - light of the type that Carol gives off, light like Rush and many others generate, too.

Hence, they congregate at sites like these, polluting the form striving for attention with their sophomoric & stupid remarks.

Don't give these losers the attention they crave; just ignore them.

1:14 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Ayatollah,

You boot licker and genious. You hit the nail on the head, you old sage.

1:22 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Ditto:

You are so funny!

"... No, Joe Wilson did not lie, everything he said has proven to be true. Saddam never bought yellow-cake. ..."

You seem to be saying that EVERYTHING Joe Wilson said has been PROVEN true.

That. Is. Laughable.

But maybe your trying to say that "Saddam never bought yellow-cake" is EVERYTHING Joe Wilson said.

Who knows?

You're so funny!

2:09 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Ayatollah, I agree with Greg, that was a good post!

2:49 PM  
Blogger One Salient Oversight said...

Let me just interrupt this serious and in-depth discussion for a moment.

I could say lots about Carol's post, but I just want to focus on one line she uses:

Strategically, it strikes me as a very bad move for Plame/Wilson and the left.

Carol comes across here as somewhat objective and studious, as though she has put a great deal of thought into this issue. It gives the impression that she is taking an impartial view.

However, I would contend that if anyone ever did a detailed search on this site, you would never find any reference to a leftist strategy that Carol thinks was a good move.

Therefore, she is merely being a right-wing flag waver rather than being a serious commentator.

Even the Kossacks are not backward in criticising the Democratic party. That is the difference between the American Left and the American Right - the Left is trying to be objective while the Right is, well, propagandising.

Including Carol.

5:07 PM  
Blogger suek said...

>>...you would never find any reference to a leftist strategy that Carol thinks was a good move.>>

So...you're saying that the suit is a leftist political move rather than simply a personal suit?

6:11 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Carol keeps regurgitating the same old poo for her chicklets in saying, "it's hard to believe that Valerie Plame was a covert agent under the law..."

Whether or not Valerie Plame was a covert agent is a legal question. This claim has already been adjudicated in the Scooter Libby case and Judge David Tatel found that Plame was covert.

Gosh, the sole judge who actually looked at the evidence had no trouble believing Valerie Plame was covert. Just Carol and her poo swilling horde seem to lack sufficient imagination.

8:04 PM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

Carol calls Joe Wilson a liar, yet she is the liar.

And the claws of jealousy suddenly pop out when she notes Valerie Plame's "celebrity-Vanity-Fair-cover-spread life."

9:36 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

"However, I would contend that if anyone ever did a detailed search on this site, you would never find any reference to a leftist strategy that Carol thinks was a good move."

Why should she? Which lefty strategy would anyone consider a "good move". Better yet, IS there a lefty strategy?

12:09 AM  
Blogger One Salient Oversight said...

Thankyou Marshall, I'm glad you agree with me that Carol's choice of words were misleading.

3:00 AM  
Blogger dodger said...

It is not good for the CIA to side with the enemy. Too broad a swipe? Valery Plame is the face of the CIA. Our enemy is not Cheney, Bush, Rove. It's Osama and the Islamofascists.

9:27 AM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

Our enemy has two faces: Osama and his friend and abettor, Duh-bya.

10:16 AM  
Blogger dodger said...

Ditto, et al:

The noun enemy has 4 meanings:

Meaning #1: an opposing military force

Meaning #2: an armed adversary (especially a member of an opposing military force)
Synonyms: foe, foeman, opposition

Meaning #3: any hostile group of people

Meaning #4: a personal enemy

I'm speaking in terms of meanings 1 & 2. I'm opposed to the armed adversaries we are fighting. That apparently makes me your enemy under meanings 3 & 4. Which makes you my enemy under meanings 1 & 2. Clear enough.

10:26 AM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

Codger,

You are so obsessed with your partisan fanaticism that you fail to see the original act of outing a covert CIA agent as one of aggression against the United States, an act which illustrates the "whatever it takes" approach Our Great Leader and his Gestapo took to shove this deadly boondoggle down our throats.

10:36 AM  
Blogger dodger said...

It turns out Plame wasn't covert, nor outed by the administration, but outed by Who's Who. It turns out Plame is a traitor. So, however you want to read it. A traitor got outed.

1:22 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

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1:26 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

dodger says "A traitor got outed."

That is correct, Bush admitted to being the "leaker".

1:46 PM  

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