Knowing What's "Too Far"
Even a Democrat, Jack Spratt, has asked his fellow Dems to withdraw the partisan ad featuring soldiers' coffins that was discussed here this morning.
posted by LadybugUSA at 8:33 PM
Thursday, July 13, 2006
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It's a matter of dignity and honor, Ditto, some things with which the Democrats have shown distinct unfamiliarity for quite some time.
Dittohead, you might as well stop trying. Greg and Cliff have an acute case of IOKIYAR syndrome.
Democrats call the administration's handling of the Iraq war incompetent? Nasty Democrats--politicizing the war.
Republicans call Democrats cowards for wanting to set a withdrawal date? Thumbs up Republicans--good point.
Moral: It's OK if you're a Republican.
The Jersey Girls support John Kerry? Nasty Democrats--politicizing 9/11.
President Bush uses a child of a 9/11 victim in his campaign commercial? Thumbs up Republicans--captures the moment.
Moral: It's OK if you're a Republican.
Democrats show a flag-draped coffin in a web-only commercial? Nasty Democrats--politicizing the sacrifice of our troops.
President Bush shows a flag-draped coffin in a broadcast commercial? Thumbs up Republicans--excellent visuals.
Moral: It's OK if you're a Republican.
Overall moral: Carol, Greg, and Cliff don't give two patoots about respecting the troops or this particular commercial. They are all about generating faux outrage against Democrats and giving Republicans a pass.
In addition to dignity and honor, there's also this:
Republicans tend to support the troops WINNING the war.
Democrats tend to support the troops LOSING the war.
These values are apparent in the way each party presents its case. Thankfully, most Americans are disgusted when the Democrats advocate defeat for American troops.
I can understand your frustrations, Ditto & Twister. You keep trying to bring down America and the American public keeps rejecting you. Yours is a tough world to live in.
>>Democrats call the administration's handling of the Iraq war incompetent? Nasty Democrats--politicizing the war.
Republicans call Democrats cowards for wanting to set a withdrawal date? Thumbs up Republicans--good point.>>
Etc.
Moral equivalence - the inability to discriminate between value systems. The belief that all cultures are equal.
Cliff;
Your Son and his friends are a credit to you and their parents. I pray for thier safe return.
We have had to face the Dittoheads in every war we've fought. Their "michagas" (Yiddish for craziness) is the price we pay for our freedom.
G-d bless your family and friends
Flomblog!
Any nation could become a imminent threat is the future.
Like Liechtenstein, for instance?
>>There were no WMDs. >>
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For starters...
>>Some WMDs found were from Iran-Iraq war but they were degraded and no more dangerous than chemicals found in the average American home.>>
There are two things wrong with your statement:
1)to say that they were degraded to a point of being no longer dangerous is false. They may have no longer been effective weapons, but the chemicals they contained were _not_ safe.
2)their presence also proved two things: a)Saddam lied when he claimed that all the weapons had been destroyed, and b)the UN inspectors were duped into thinking there were no more weapons.
Cliff asks, "Are you saying that
my wife and I, along with all of the other parents of soldiers, 'don't give two patoots about respecting the troops'?"
That's precisely what I am saying. Your post here has absolutely nothing to do with supporting the troops and everything to do with partisan politics. Hiding behind the honorable service of your son and his friends marks you as an opportunist and nothing more.
Twister - you've said some outrageous things - but:
Hiding behind the honorable service of your son and his friends marks you as an opportunist and nothing more.
Is absolutely obscene. I am sure that these families wince every time the news comes on. I know exctly what their prayers are. Without their kids (And the paarent that raised them) The Nazi crematoriums would have completed their evil job. Germany and Berlin would still be divided.
It's is because of people youe you, twist, that millions of Cambodians were slaughtered.
That last remark aimed at Cliff was despicable!
>>That last remark aimed at Cliff was despicable!>>
There are dhimmis and there are dummies. Most of both are also Demmies. There are those who would sap our efforts so that we lose in this war against militant Islam. They are either the enemy among us or are one of the 3 Ds. There are also those who worship life so that they place more value on it than on anything else - these are the ones who have the opinion that the only way to "support the troops" is to take them out of danger's way. For them, there is absolutely _nothing_ in life that is worth risking one's life for. There are also those who have as their motto "Give me liberty or give me death". These are the two basic underlying philosophies that are warring between the political parties in the US today.
It's pretty apparent within this small blog who's on which side.
Suek, Well said
The Torah teaches us "To Choose Life" However when facing slavery, even the most devout are willing to forfeit their life.
The Code of Conduct which every GI memorizes starts:
I am an American. I serve in the forces which guard our country and our way of lie. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
In a culture that values life -- this is a stirring statement. These young men and women will even give their lives to defend dittohead and wrabkin's silliness.
Lets all remember these GI's AND THEIR PARENTS in our prayers
I do remember them in my prayers, try as you might to conflate my opposition to this war to denigration of them. That is the tactic of simple-minded dolts, and it generally works among the rank and file of the GOP.
I also pray that they may come home alive and not have to pay the ultimate price for the folly of the small, nearsighted, foolish chimp that you elected to be their Commander in Chief.
>>I also pray that they may come home alive and not have to pay the ultimate price>>
Whatever your motivation, prayers are always appreciated.
>> for the folly of the small, nearsighted, foolish chimp that you elected to be their Commander in Chief.>>
All of us are subjected daily for calls to donate to charitable purposes. I think it's a given that many of those are worthwhile causes and many are conducted by charlatans whose favorite charity is themselves.
You have a choice...you can choose not to donate to _anybody_ because you can't tell the charlatans from the charities, or you can make the best choice you can and risk having made a bad one. The effects of making a bad choice mean that your dollars do no good, but it doesn't lessen whatever sacrifice you may have made in order to make the donation. By the same token, whether a soldier is killed by some weird accident on the training ground, or in some high level successful action against the enemy, the sacrifice of his life is equally worthwhile.
You may not value the decisions of the cic at this time - that's pretty obvious - but it doesn't lessen the value of service to their country. It's certainly within your right to change the cic, but until that change occurs, your patriotism is in question if you do not support the cic in office.
Don't bother with the usual ... I can't quite quote it by rote, but I know the jist of it.
Suk,
Were you alive and listening in the '90s? Would you please tell me the difference between what these "patriots" said then, during the quick, successful and relatively bloodless Kosovo campaign, and what is being said now during Bush's deadly boondoggle?
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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
"This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."
-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)
"You can support the troops but not the president"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."
-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce"
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
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