Carol Platt Liebau: Enough

Thursday, September 14, 2006


Once again, I am writing to remind commenters that they must be civil if they intend to continue participating on this site. You are welcome to disagree, but you must do so in a courteous and dignified fashion. There has been enough trashing and name-calling of other commenters and of me and even my husband. Although I'm reluctant to single anyone out, "Editor" has been a particular offender, although others have been involved, as well.

It's worth remembering that no one is required to visit this site. If you cannot do so without poisoning the atmosphere for everyone else, please drop this blog from your daily reading. Again, spirited debate and challenges to my opinions and those of other commenters are encouraged. But mean spiritedness, name calling and gratuitous nastiness are out of line, and they're an abuse of the free speech rights that we all cherish.


Blogger Cliff said...

Thank You!

10:29 AM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

YAY Carol

10:36 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

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11:46 AM  
Blogger Bachbone said...

Amen, Carol! You have much more patience than I.

2:52 PM  
Blogger Larry Who said...

Thanks for being so gracious with all of us.

3:27 PM  
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5:42 PM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

I am totally disgustedwith the negative members. Calling a lady a negative name is never called for. I can disagree with Carol, but I disagree withg her ideas, not her person.

QUite frankly Editor and Jill, as the Bard said:

"Get thee to a nunnary"

5:46 PM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

Oh yes, Larry, I like your choice in movies!

5:47 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

I bow to your request. I shall resist the urge to fling epithets no matter how strong that urge may be. And I'm sure it will be strong indeed. Perhaps I shall meet the target(s) of my ad hominems at a site more suitable for such repartee, a site where wallowing in the muck is a staple. Of course the lib sites will quickly block my visits, but I should be able to launch a salvo or two. But I shall exert all to never again sully this blog. May God give me strength.

9:19 PM  
Blogger HouseOfSin said...

Hi Carol -

Yes, I agree that people should be civil on your blog. I also am sorry that some choose not to be.

That said, I have noticed something. I have read your blog fairly regularly. Not often do I see you mentioning another blogger, on your site, in a positive context. I would chalk it up to naivete, but you give hat tips all the time. I have never seen you give a hat tip to someone on your own blog.

Example: Awhile back when Plame was filing that court nonsense about the vice president, you openly asked on your blog whether she'd lost her mind. I blogged on your site that it was possible, but more than likely it was about the money that she might lose in her book deal otherwise.

My comments were ignored. Awhile later (about a week), you gave a big fat Hat Tip to Byron York on NRO for making the same point I made, on your very site. So is it a good point to make about Plame, or not? Or is it only a good point if the blogger is a friend, but otherwise not?

Moreover, if you won't dignify someone who is giving civil and cutting discourse, except in the most generic way possible (e.g. "you guys are the best,"), one might conclude, why not be crass? Indeed, from what I've seen, being crass is the only tangible, evident way for a blogger on your site to be acknowledged by you.

I'm not Editor, so I didn't make a big thing about the Byron-York-and-me thing. But I could see others doing so.

So I propose an exercise in positive reinforcement. You try to single out bloggers who make good points, or who get you to think differently about something. Try to hat tip people who take time out of their (trust me: BUSY) day to blog on your site. Again, if it's hat-tip worthy.

What you may find is elevated civility. You have nothing to lose.

1:21 PM  
Blogger dodger said...

One should only post here to sharpen one's own views, not to elicit rebuttals, flame throwing, pats on the back, etc. I personally don't see the need to even single out something or someone I disagree with, it is sufficient to merely add my own view thereof. I enjoy seeing my writing in print, often reacting, hey that guy is one sharp cookie.

For that reason I thank Carol for the opportunity. But I especially enjoy her take on things and frequently follow her links. And that, I presume, is all she asks.

3:49 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Dodger, are you saying that
one should not ask for a reply in the form of a rebuttal? Is there a difference between a reply and a rebuttal?

5:47 PM  
Blogger HouseOfSin said...

More basic: Doesn't anyone see the difference between a reply and an acknowledgment?

I say again: Carol gives hat-tips quite often. But not to people who blog here. So my point is unworthy because I'm nobody, but if it comes from Personal Friend Byron York, then it's worth a hat tip?

Carol, I don't want to be rude or uncivil, ever. But an acknowledgment would be nice.

12:31 AM  
Blogger dodger said...

Reply vs rebuttal vs acknowledgment.

One time I told a reporter that my opponents were wild-eyed, lame-brained, half-crazed, cretins. He didn't reply, rebut, or acknowledge, or print my words. For which I have always been eternally grateful.

Another time I called somebody a psycho. My psycologist, a good friend, advised me that I probably meant psychopath. The difference being that a psycopath thinks the klingons are coming to get him. Whereas a psycho would tell the klingons where they could pick him up.

I think a reply is where you are asked a question. A rebuttal is where you oppose. Acknowledge is where you indicate you heard.

My psychologist also told me I needed to be more visible with my anger. Throw somebody down a flight of stairs once in a while, was how he put it. Otherwise no one will know. I said, but anger is bad, calm and patient is my forte.

Fuck your forte, he said. Sometimes there is just no substitute for anger.

How will we make it known to Muslims we are angry with their religion of hate and death unless we knock a few of their mosques down?

Betcha you weren't expecting that!

1:29 PM  

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