Carol Platt Liebau: Another Terror Plot

Friday, July 07, 2006

Another Terror Plot

So, there were plans to blow up the Holland Tunnel in hopes of flooding the finanical district in New York.

Including the Miami plot, this is the second thwarted terror attack that's been reported in recent days. And even though neither plot was entirely airtight or close to fruition, it seems right that the American people be informed (when there's no impact on any ongoing investigation) about the plans that are being hatched against them.

No doubt these are not the only plots that have been disrupted over the past months and years, and it's unfortunate that we don't know about the others (unless, again, there are valid security reasons for nondisclosure). Silence about thwarted threats results in a false sense of security that leads to less vigilance and less focus on the terrorist threat -- both pernicious developments.

It's worth noting that the New York terrorists were supposed to receive some sort of aid from Al Zarqawi. For all those who wonder why we're in Iraq, think of it this way: If Al Zarqawi hadn't been busy over there, might his participation entailed a bit more than simply financial support over here?

Oh, and one final thing: The linked piece reports that:

The Lebanese government had been expected to release a statement about Andalousli's arrest but was asked by the U.S. to hold off while operations to disrupt the plot continued.

Amazing that the Lebanese government would be more respectful of American security concerns than, say, The New York Times.


Blogger wrabkin said...

I am curious to find out if there was any more to this plot than the last, which was nothing more than a bunch of morons playing dress-up.

I do find it amusing, however, that this was leaked by some evildoer. Now the Bush administration gets to claim credit for this wonderful act of law enforcement and blame the media -- because they know that the reporter they leaked it to won't blow them as a source, even when they call him a traitor. What lovely games they play in Washington...

11:06 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

"I am curious to find out if there was any more to this plot than the last, which was nothing more than a bunch of morons playing dress-up".
Does it really matter who they were, or how they were dressed? A plot was foiled, right? Heaven forbid if the plot was uncovered through the evils of wire tapping though!

5:27 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Cliff asked, "Does it really matter who they were, or how they were dressed? A plot was foiled, right?"

Remember how Carol talked about the terrorist plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge? (See for example, here.) Remember how Carol used the seriousness of that plot to bash the NY Times?

What Carol never told you was that the Brooklyn Bridge plot was for half a dozen people to cut the support cables with blow torches. The plot was a joke, trumpeted by Republicans and their lapdogs in the right wing media solely so the Bush administration could point to a sorely needed "success" in something or other.

Cliff--yes, it does matter whether the people arrested are actual terrorists or a bunch of morons playing dress up. The difference is that arresting terrorists keeps Americans safer, whereas trumpeting cockamamie plots as if they are serious does nothing more than frighten people to score cheap political points.

6:04 PM  
Blogger Bloodstomper Barbie said...

Someone was planning to blow up a couple tunnels, huh? You believe it? Why? Because some guys standing around trying to look important say so? Yeah, right. I say, prove it. Because of all the lies and fake news from the Bshu sdmiinissstration, for me, unfortunately, nothing coming out of the mouths of any gotv agency is credible. Nothing.

6:20 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Mr. Twister, is it possible
that terrorists might think extra hard before plotting an atack, knowing that we even go after cockamamie crackpots?

6:24 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

The terrorist seem to like the GOP and Bush alot as they always ratchet up their activity for our elections.

6:31 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...


If there are actual terrorists out there plotting to kill Americans, I suspect that they are laughing their asses off at those fools in Miami and the resources the FBI wasted entrapping them.

6:46 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

At least any terrorists out there now know that we will be hot and heavy on their trail, even if they,"Play dress up." Should we call their bluff?

6:59 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training.

7:27 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

The only way you know that,
Dittohead, is because the CIA listened to their conversations,or,"chatter."
Question: Is it a good
thing or a bad thing that the CIA was listening, and
if the extremists KNOW that
they are being monitored, wouldn't that deter them from plotting and carrying out a terrorist plot?

8:41 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

“The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,” said Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative magazine, in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved – “three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere - are indeed extremists," their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.

9:00 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Giraldi, however, says, “Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi, but none of them knew him or had any access to him.”

9:16 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

However, aren't you glad that our intelligence agencies are monitoring these activities, wherever they get the information?
That is a good idea, isn't it?

9:30 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...


Sure but, I'd rather Bush work with Congress and courts if necessary so it is legal and there is oversite. I understand right after 9-11 that they had to do everything possible. Now I think enough time has gone by for Congress to be included.

10:26 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Aka Chils. Since our first conversation several days ago, I want to commend you, and I mean that, your comment above is the most intelligent statement that I have read from you since you called me a moron. You know what they say about sticks and stones...but back to the subject. Like I said two times before in the past week, Congress will give the president everything that he wanted in the first place, and those who were laughing at the time of the Supreme decision, will be pulling their hair out in rage when they see the congress do this. I don't agree with you that the president needed oversight in this situation, but that is what good conversation allows,a difference of opinion.

12:55 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

I don't think anyone who is serious, cares about Bush any more. He is history and will be leaving a huge mess.

I don't think Congress will attempt to amend the Constitution or quit the Genva Convention treaty. Setting up a military tribunal wasn't the big issue and sure Congress can do that but, I don't think Bush cares too much about that. He seems to be saying, he wants to close GITMO and return the prisoners to their country and let them deal with them.

Our conversation was based on my knowing this terrorist internet chat was foreign monitoring. It sounds like they were ranting away on a public terrorist website. Big talk with no real plan or funding. I am against warrantless spying on US citizens.

3:35 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

In what is an rather unsurprising development, it appears that the initial reports about this "terror plot" were inaccurate and/or exaggerated. According to the FBI agent in charge, the plot was not against the Holland Tunnel but involved "martyrdom, explosives and certain of the tubes connecting New Jersey and Lower Manhattan."

According to counter-terrorism officials quoted in the WaPo, One said the alleged plot was "not as far along" as described and was "more aspirational in nature." The other described the threat as "jihadi bravado," adding "somebody talks about tunnels, it lights people up," but that there was little activity to back up the talk.

7:11 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Cliff asks, Mr. Twister, is it possible that terrorists might think extra hard before plotting an atack, knowing that we even go after cockamamie crackpots?

Cliff, you may want to take this up with Carol. She has made a fine art of ridiculing law enforcement approaches to dealing with terrorists.

For my own part, I am not persuaded that someone who is planning on martyring himself is really all that concerned that the Bush administration has chosen to trumpet the arrests of goofball terrorists to make itslef look good.

7:17 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

The left:

"Terrorists? What terrorists? There is no threat. Bush is just trying to scare you. He is the real threat."

Note to Twister & Co.: The above is satire.

6:09 AM  

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