Carol Platt Liebau: America's Heritage of Faith

Monday, July 24, 2006

America's Heritage of Faith

In this magnificent piece, Michael Medved points out the relative novelty of the idea that, in America, religious devotion and national pride are insuperably divided. As evidence, he points out the religious themes evident in all America's most beloved patriotic songs.

It's always been somewhat amazing that those who are so eager to junk America's religious heritage tend to be liberals. That's because our religious heritage has provided the rationale for and the backbone behind so many of the policies that the liberals would (wrongly) love to claim for their own: Abolition, civil rights, care for the poor, unprecedented generosity to suffering and oppressed peoples across the globe. Without the Judeo-Christian ethic that underlies America's founding and sense of mission, why, precisely, should any of us care for anyone besides ourselves? Because Jesse Jackson tells us to? Yeah, that'll work.

It's also worth pointing out that America has a beautiful national hymn -- "God of Our Fathers" (it's always played at presidential inaugurals). My favorite verse has always been the second:

Thy love divine hath led us in the past,
In this free land by Thee our lot is cast,
Be Thou our Ruler, Guardian, Guide and Stay,
Thy Word our law, Thy paths our chosen way.


Blogger Marshall Art said...

Easy, Carol. The lefties who post here may become incensed. Why, don't you realize that separation of church and state is sacrosanct? It is gospel. To say otherwise is sacrilege. Removing God from the public square is our only salvation. I don't care how many of our founders were religious. Just because they may have thought our form of self-government would be best served if the people were a moral people, doesn't mean that we should get all holy.

2:44 PM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

Yes I agree - Don't you realize that having a President who is guided by his sense of morality is illegal? Just for trying to be an honorable Christian he derserves impeachment

2:48 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Peace prize winner 'could kill' Bush
Annabelle McDonald

NOBEL peace laureate Betty Williams displayed a flash of her feisty Irish spirit yesterday, lashing out at US President George W.Bush during a speech to hundreds of schoolchildren.

"Right now, I would love to kill George Bush." Her young audience at the Brisbane City Hall clapped and cheered.

"I don't know how I ever got a Nobel Peace Prize, because when I see children die the anger in me is just beyond belief. It's our duty as human beings, whatever age we are, to become the protectors of human life."

Ms Williams was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize 30 years ago, when she circulated a petition to end violence in Northern Ireland after witnessing British soldiers shoot dead an IRA member who was driving a car. He veered on to the footpath, killing two children from one family instantly and fatally injuring a third.

"My job is to tell you their stories," Ms Williams said of a recent trip to Iraq.

"We went to a hospital where there were 200 children; they were beautiful, all of them, but they had cancers that the doctors couldn't even recognise. From the first Gulf War, the mothers' wombs were infected.

"As I was leaving the hospital, I said to the doctor, 'How many of these babies do you think are going to live?'

"He looked me straight in the eye and said, 'None, not one'. They needed five different kinds of medication to treat the cancers that the children had, and the embargoes laid on by the United States and the United Nations only allowed them three."

Wrapping up the three-day forum yesterday, delegates agreed to a 26-point action plan.

"There can be no sustainable peace while the majority of the world's population lives in poverty," they said.

"There can be no sustainable peace if we fail to rise to the global challenge presented by climate change.

"There can be no sustainable peace while military spending takes precedence over human development."

5:01 PM  
Blogger JillMartin said...

Well then there you have it. Irish Nobel peace laureate wanting to kill Bush and Austrilian children clapping.

One heck of a president!

5:23 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

There you have it. A moonbat with a warped sense of morality that can equate collateral damage due to scumbags hiding amongst civilians to the death and destruction those same rat bastards purposely rain down on civilian targets. And she wants to kill the one world leader that's fed up with it, instead of the leaders that support the rat bastards. Typical. More so is the supporter of such goofiness like jillmartin who is equally blind and filled with hatred for a lawfully elected president. Back to Williams: a publicly pronounced desire to kill a sitting president (or anyone else, for that matter) should have her Peace Prize taken back. She's not worthy.

Carol, if my name calling has broken your rules, feel free to block me. I cannot tolerate such hateful nonsense as spewed by the likes of jillmartin. I'll take one for decency. Her rhetoric is shameful.

5:48 PM  
Blogger JillMartin said...

Marshall Art,

Did you honestly think the world would not react to Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive war and secret prisons of torture?

Afghanistan - brink of anarchy.

Iraq - Civil war and out of control.

Taliban - 300,000 strong and getting support from Pakistan.

Al Qaeda - stronger and more recruits than before Iraq war started.

Iraqi government - Shitte leaders backing Hezbollah and friendly to Iran.

Russia - in light of G8 meeting, Putin is blocking UN resolution on Iran and has black listed US business in lucrative gas and oil bids.

China - has signed major oil deals with Iran, Sudan, Burma and Venezuela.

Canada - China's largest oil refiner, signed a contract with Canadian Synenco Energy Inc to form a joint venture.

China, Russia - Russia will step up energy cooperation with China and increase oil and gas supplies to its neighbor.

Shanghai Cooperation Organization - original purposes of the SCO was to serve as a counterbalance to the United States. Members are China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. At the SCO meeting at its summit in Astana, Kazakhstan, urged them to set a timetable for US withdrawing their troops from member states. Since then, Uzbekistan has asked the U.S. to leave the K-2 air base. At the meeting India, Pakistan and Iran were inducted into the cooperative as observers.

6:26 PM  
Blogger One Salient Oversight said...

scumbags hiding amongst civilians

It's called guerilla warfare, or insurgent warfare.

It is the only way these people can effectively fight.

If they wore uniforms and built their bases in the desert with signs pointing to them them it may assuage our sense of indignity, but it would be militarily stupid from their point of view.

The response to insurgent warfare is not to drop bombs indiscriminately on civilians, hoping that some bad guys get hit.

It is through completely different means - by introducing a counter-insurgency and using the same sort of tools.

Winning civilians over is one of the top priorities of war against insurgents.

But America hasn't even attempted to do this Iraq, and Israel hasn't attempted to do it in Lebanon.

Did America learn nothing from the Vietnam war? Did Israel learn nothing from their own pre-1948 insurgency in Palestine?

Apparently not.

9:51 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

Jill and OSO,

First, it's called MURDER. These are not honorable freedom fighters you're referring to. Do honorable people hack off heads, torture and butcher their captives? And don't give me any nonsense that we have anything remotely comparable to that crap. They are despotic, power hungry animals who insist their religion gives them the license to engage in horrific acts against humanity. Again, nothing comparable from our end. Both our and Israel's armies put themselves at risk constantly to avoid civilian casualties. Don't try to pretend that their tactics are a result of their inferior military abilities. They purposely fight from behind innocent civilians in the hopes that retaliation will be prevented, or that it will come and they can use the civilian deaths for propaganda purposes. Either end suits them just fine.

How much begging is Israel supposed to do to get Lebanon and Palestine to put a leash on their respective murderous organizations? How many Israeli citizens have to die before they should be allowed to defend themselves? You both should be ashamed for defending those people.

World opinon has never held us as you think they once did. We are dirt until they need us. There is global envy of the United States, and unless there is a spineless Carter or Clinton in office, they think ill of us. Leave the America hating to the Islamofascists and French start dealing with reality.

10:57 PM  
Blogger Pain said...

"They are despotic, power hungry animals who insist their religion gives them the license to engage in horrific acts against humanity."


Is this not,

where you beloved America,

is going,

led by the collar,

by men like Doug Coe?

One must think rationally,

stepping back,

from the emotive,

the fear or the hate,

seeking to know,

other paths.

Pain, K-S.E, O.B.R.E.,F.J.E., W.R.

4:17 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

Sounds to me, Ditto, like Annabelle McDonald just proved she didn't deserve a peace prize.

Her wanting to kill Bush does not prove he is a bad president any more than my dislike for John Kerry proves he's un-American (There are much more persuasive arguments for that characterization than my opinion.).

6:32 AM  
Blogger Greg said...




10:17 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...


No it's not.

Who the hell is Doug Coe?

Rational thought does not suffer the likes of Hezbollah and their ilk.

Your style of posting is a Pain.

2:12 PM  
Blogger eLarson said...

But America hasn't even attempted to do this [win over civilians? kick in doors?] Iraq,

Before I find even 1 piece of evidence to disprove this claim from One Salient Oversight, I'd like to know what the "do this" is that he meant.

6:29 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

One more point about world opinion:

Today O'Reilly made a good point concerning world opinion and terrorism. He reminded a letter writer that the world did nothing initially about Hitler, Stalin, Mao. To wait on world opinion becoming favorable is a bad idea.

7:27 PM  
Blogger amber said...

OSO, it is not geurilla warfare. saying that that is the only way they can fight is assinine. Durring the Revolutionary War, the US learned they could not go head to head with the British, so we fought a "geurilla style" war. We did NOT hide in homes with women and children, we did NOT tell children to lie down in the middle of the road and get run over so we could divert a battery or company. We would never have our children run out in fields to clear landmines. These people are evil, pure evil. You can not negotiate with evil, you have to kill it, anhiliate it, exterminate it.

8:25 PM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Marshall art said," Why, don't you realize that separation of church and state is sacrosanct? It is gospel." I'll pay anyone
$10,000 if they can find the phrase, "separation of church and state" in the
Constitution. The sad part is that we have Judges and
TEACHERS who believe that it's in there, just because
they were told so, but never bothered to read it for themselves.

10:04 PM  
Blogger Pete said...

Good posts, Amber and Cliff. However, the truth of what you said has never stopped the left from promoting their twisted logic.

The "separation clause" clause, such as it is used by the left, is not in the Constitution, but was a part of a letter written by Jefferson to a Baptist Church in Danbury, CT reassuring the pastor and the congregation that Congress would not establish a "national" church, such as England did with it's Anglican "Church of England". We are afforded freedom of religion in the Constitution, and there will be no national religion. Individual states could do as they pleased, (Remember the old idea of STATES actually having rights for decisions regarding themselves? Whatta concept!) but not nationally. In CT, our state church was the Congregational Church until around 1854, if memory serves.

7:40 AM  
Blogger Diane Tomlinson said...

And in this Christian States of America, Pete, who would go to the gallows first?

While you ruminate on that how exactly would the rest of the nation, those that do not think or act as you do be governed? What would be their recourse?

I think if Christendom were the solution to the ill will that lies in the hearts of men we would have a Utopia by now. As long as people lust for what their eyes show them you will have corruption, fear, misogyny, racism, greed, adultery and murder.

I could fill the Congress with 535 GOP evangelicals, pack the Supreme Court with lawyers from Liberty Baptist and make James Dobson president but nothing would change. Men would still beat their wives, wives would still kill their children the sick and sad will always be with you because you cannot inject legislation into the darkest corners of men's hearts or use law to cool the fevered minds of those bent on doing others harm.
A free nation means free for everyone as long as your rights are not infringed upon. Being offended by someone's actions does not deteriorate your rights it just ruffles your sensibilities. Somewhere between Vereide (30s) and Goldwater (60s) the GOP lost its way and have started to see the bogeyman of the destruction of their privileged futures via widening civil liberties in every dark corner.

So tell me what good is the forcing of a belief going to do American citizens to change the march of time and the acts of men?

9:21 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Hellooooo! Anybody alive in there? Who said anything about "the forcing of a belief"? I certainly didn't! What I DID say is that separation of church and state is NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION - agreeing with Greg.

I told you the source of where the left gets their misguided "wall of separation" crap. Did you even see the sentence, "We are afforded freedom of religion in the Constitution, and there will be no national religion."? That means that Congress cannot tell you or me how to worship our God, or even whether you choose to have a God. Your choice - my choice - no FedGuv intervention. No brainer, diane! What's your bitch?

Most of us know that there will still be crime as human beings have choice of action. Some choose right, some choose wrong! There will ALWAYS be that scenario. Who goes to the gallows first? How about a few rapist/murderers? Maybe a few cop killers, child molester/murderers, the list goes on.

Freedom OF religion does not necessarily mean freedom FROM religion. We, who believe, have as much right to express our belief as you non-believers have to express your disbelief. I do not force it on anyone, even those who need it. I am willing, if asked, to share my faith, however, that you might be saved too.

11:35 AM  
Blogger Diane Tomlinson said...


If only you could apply that sort of rational thinking to the events currently surrounding the sitting President.

I am for faith, heck, despite where I live I still have some, in nature, in art, in some people and even in the Divine Creator of Nature.

But you are not going to sit back smug and tell me that if the Dominionists lurking in the shadows on K Street just want the government to stay out of their business. People with that broad an agenda aren't lining up prayer Breakfasts just so the eggs go down well. They want to sit at the main table, the ruling elite's table and they are the ones who say the Bible is for sheep like you, but they get btheir orders directly from Jesus. However crazy as this sounds, my BITCH is that people like this make YOU believe you have an anointed palce above everyone else and to dissent makes you unpatriotic, un American, anti-Christian. And the GOP has called these kinds of people their base, "al-Qaeda", and these same people are now using their leaders to whisper in the ears of some of the most powerful and vulnerable men in Washington.

"Faith is for the soul, church is for Sunday, but the government never closes."

Do I need to quote Jefferson too? Pray in private do the public's work in public and NEVER the twain shall meet. That's my opinion and it would work just fine in my America.

2:12 PM  

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