Carol Platt Liebau: Passing the Laugh Test

Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Passing the Laugh Test

Fox News just reported that Hillary Clinton, in a speech yesterday, had attacked the Bush Administration and Republicans on Capitol Hill for "corruption, cronyism and incompetence."

Careful in that glass house, senator. Don't forget that your husband ran one of the most corrupt admninistrations in American history. And that includes the travel office debacle, where career government employees were fired and smeared so that your husband's cousin (and others) could have cushy government jobs. Sounds a lot like cronyism to me. As for incompetence, one needs only a few words. "Osama Bin Laden, silver platter, aspirin factor" -- all come to mind.

What's more pernicious even is her characterization of the House of Representatives as a "plantation" -- nothing like a little race-baiting on MLK day.

It's interesting: When HRC gets in front of a friendly crowd, she can't control herself. The carefully constructed facade of moderation falls away. No one can mistake her for a leader who's trying to be a "united, not a divider" though.

17 Comments:

Blogger Gary Gross said...

Carol, I couldn't agree more with you. I wrote about the race-baiting comment & I suspect that lots of bloggers are taking her to task.

Her entire goal was to incite racial hatred for her political gain. And that's disgusting.

9:27 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

This post can't go without a comment on the unbelievable comments by Mayor Ray Nagin trying to raise the rabble by shouting that New Orleans will remain a Chocolate Majority! I mean, I love Chocolate, but you really should use stronger building materials if you want to withstand the next hurricane! What if the Mayor of "insert city here" said, "This city will remain an Oreo city because that's how God wants it"?

9:45 AM  
Blogger eLarson said...

Nagin strikes me as a strange man and not a very capable mayor. He's a populist trying to rally the people, and hoping they'll overlook his failure to lead. (Not to mention his failure to execute the disaster plan of record in the face of the disaster.)

10:27 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Carol writes, "What's more pernicious even is her characterization of the House of Representatives as a "plantation" -- nothing like a little race-baiting on MLK day."

Gary Gross chimes his amen sister with "Her entire goal was to incite racial hatred for her political gain. And that's disgusting."

Oh me oh my, how about these quotes?

"Many in the 'mainstream black leadership' have become overseers on the social-welfare plantation. Black republicans threaten the overseers' livelihood and position. Such a threat has to be sold down the River through vilification and intimidation."--rzafft on CarolLiebau.blogspot.com

"The cause of this sorry state of affairs is the transformation of a once-noble Civil Rights movement into the Civil Rights Industry, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party and the Social Welfare Plantation."--Bruce Thornton, CaliforniaRepublic.org (where Carol is a regular contributor) 12/7/2005.

"In the end, you've got to ask yourself, why [Justice Antonin] Scalia, good, Thomas, bad in the eyes of a man like Reid. I say it's the liberal plantation mentality, in which if you're a man on the right and white, it's OK. If you are the man on the right and you're African American, it's not."--Charles Krauthammer FOX News 12/06/2004

"After all, nothing upsets Sen. Kennedy and his pals more than when those they view as intellectual slaves dares to leave the Democratic plantation."--National Review Online 9/5/2003

"Another immigrant group wanders off the Democratic plantation."--(sub headline) Wall Street Journal 11/8/2004

"I'm a black American and I am deeply, deeply saddened and troubled regarding the level of propaganda and deceit that's been thrown at black Americans to keep them on the democratic plantation, and especially through the comments of the likes of Charles Rangel, but before I go into that, I wanted to say something."--The Rush Limbaugh Show 9/30/2005

"Where would the Democrats be if they're not picking up around 90 percent of the black vote? What if black voters started moving off the Democratic plantation?"--Bob Novak, Crossfire, 1/25/2005

Gosh, all of them fine upstanding Conservatives and Right Wing Media types using the word "plantation". Where was your outrage then, Carol? Gary, would you care to comment on how disgusting is is for Carol to serve as a regular contributor to an online magazine that uses the phrase "Social Welfare Plantation"?

I didn't think so.

7:24 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

And now Greg can chime in on how he is so saddened that I would take this tone of voice. C'mon Greg would you care to comment on how Carol's selective use of race-baiting charges effects the tone of this blog?

7:29 PM  
Blogger Orphan in Bama said...

Say, Mr. Twister....which one of the people you cited is a sitting United States Senator? Can you name one? Thought not.

You are becoming a troll.

david

3:58 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Mr. Twisted, you went to a lot of work digging up the spin on this one. Let's take a look, you have a commentor on Carol's blog...he's relevent, probably was on C-Span making his comments. One of yours was an African-American making comments about getting blacks of the dole of welfare's plantation. You probably could have found something from Thomas Sowell's excellent book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". So with my iron clad logic, here's the big difference: Comparing the Welfare state to a plantation because it keeps blacks down (the conservative view) vs. Comparing the House of Representatives to a plantation because "you know what I'm talking about"? What is she talking about? It's like Belafonte ranting about Bush's cabinet being a plantation. Let me ask you, how many blacks did Clinton promote to high positions?

7:31 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

And now the peanut gallery jumps out to defend what Carol termed "race-bating".

We see Orphan in Bama ask, "Say, Mr. Twister....which one of the people you cited is a sitting United States Senator? Can you name one? Thought not."

I'll see your sitting Junior Senator from New York and raise you a future Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives.

"I clearly fascinate them. I'm much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I'm actually willing to lead the slave rebellion."--Newt Gingrich, Washington Post. Oct. 1994

Just like Hillary Clinton, Newt is making the comparison of the majority party running Congress like a "plantation."

10:37 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Hillary's comment was not even close to being in the same vein and you know what I'm talkin' about. Can you apologize for Ray Nagin now?

12:02 PM  
Blogger Orphan in Bama said...

Mr. Twister posted:
[quote]"I'll see your sitting Junior Senator from New York and raise you a future Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives.

"I clearly fascinate them. I'm much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I'm actually willing to lead the slave rebellion."--Newt Gingrich, Washington Post. Oct. 1994".[/quote]

Not hardly, Schmedley. Last time I checked, Newt is not in the House and it isn't 1994. And I would recommend you print the entire string of the commentary rather than snatching one phrase out of the air.

Thanks for playing, though, but please look through your library of lame retorts for a little better response.

david

3:19 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Orphan, even for you this is pathetic hair splitting.

In 1994, less than a month from the elections that would elevate him to the position of Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich compared the Democratic controlled Congress to a plantation, with the Democrats as plantation overlords.

How is this in any meaningful way different than Hillary Clinton comparing the Republican run Congress to a plantation with the Republicans as plantation overlords?

That's right there is absolutely no qualitative difference between what Newt said and what Hillary said. The only difference is that in 1994 Democrats accepted the statement for what it was and didn't try to pass it off as race-baiting. Ten years later, Hillary's comments are used to create political polarization by right wing smear merchants like Carol and their lick-spittle followers such as yourself.

8:42 PM  
Blogger Laurie Johnson said...

All the intelligent discussion aside, with all due respect, I agree that the issue is truly "what [she's] talkin' about". Because she's complaining that the plantation atmosphere is keeping them from getting anything done. But really folks, I think we can all agree, the "I've got a plan" plan, (and bigosh one of these days I'm going to tell you all exactly what it is I "plan" to do, when I'm good and ready and all) is the thing she and her party are talking about. The fact that conservatives kept them from accomplishing a non-agenda agenda is hardly worth the breath it took to whine about it. It's the same thing Nancy Pelosi commented on at her town hall meeting when she bragged (I'm going to have to paraphrase here, you'll have to go and look up what I heard for yourself) that the Democrats have done a very good job of keeping everything from being done. Well, at least Nancy is honest about it. The campaign promises are starting in earnest for 2006. We are the party of nothing. We don't do anything ourselves, but we criticize anyone who does, and we do everything we can to stand in the way. Wow, what an agenda. No wonder Hilary's cryin' and you know what I'm talkin' about.

8:47 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Copioneer writes, "Hillary's comment was not even close to being in the same vein and you know what I'm talkin' about."

In 1994 Newt Gingrich compared the Democratic-controlled Congress to a "plantation" with the Democrats being the over-seers.

In 2005 Hillary Clintons compared th Republican-controlled Congress to a "plantation" with the Republicans being the over-seers.

What exactly are you talking about? Explain how these are not directly equivalent.

8:50 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Copioneer opines, "So with my iron clad logic, here's the big difference: [blah blah blah-deleted]"

No, Copioneer you are merely engaging in special pleading. One big difference is that Hillary Clinton was comparing Democrats to plantation workers, whereas each of the conservative quotes I presented were comparing racial minorities to plantation workers. Another would be to remember that Hillary Clinton is a noted Democrat, while (with the exception of the Rush Limbaugh Show quote) none of the conservatives quoted are members of a racial minority.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Orphan in Bama said...

That's balogna of the first water, Twister. Clinton was pandering to her audience, which makes the whole thing border on ridiculous. The dems the "plantation workers"? The "plantation workers" accomplished somethimg, whereas the dems have accomplished zero....nor do they intend to I suspect. "plantation workers"? More like freeloaders with bad attitudes. Perhaps she was throwing out the sonbbing towel while she was crying: "look what the mean old Repubs are doing to us!". That also played to her crowd du jour.

It can go on and on. The woman ia a big zero, and will continue to be. But, please get behind her and run her for President in 2008. Please, oh, please.

david

3:43 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Orphan in Bama wrote, "Clinton was pandering to her audience, which makes the whole thing border on ridiculous."

I agree with this completely.

Do you agree that there is a huge difference between "pandering to her audience" and both "race-baiting" and attempting to "incite racial hatred for her political gain?"

10:59 PM  
Blogger Orphan in Bama said...

Mr. Twister wrote: "Do you agree that there is a huge difference between "pandering to her audience" and both "race-baiting" and attempting to "incite racial hatred for her political gain?"

The erstwhile Junior Senator from New York was given a pass. I consider the "plantation" comment race baiting, no matter who says it, regardless of party. There is no need for that sort of oratory, and in her case, I believe she was making use of popular prejudices (demagogueing) to gain political favor, but I will readily admit that it is a fine line which the environment in which such comments was made has a lot to do with it.

david

9:08 AM  

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