Who Is Lying About Iraq?
As this piece by Norman Podhoretz points out, the answer is crystal clear: The Democrats are.
Here's a brief excerpt:
[T]he consensus on which Bush relied [in stating that Iraq had WMD] was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:
If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons-of-mass-destruction program.
Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:
Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton’s National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:
He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.
Finally, Clinton’s Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained “absolutely convinced” of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.
That's the tip of the iceberg. In the piece there are also plenty of quotes to the same effect from Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence the Administration had.
But the main point is this: The quotes above make it absolutely laughable -- a lie, in fact -- for Democrats to assert that President Bush led us into war by using or manipulating evidence that he knew to be false. Of course that won't stop the Democrats from making the charge. But it does make it absolutely apparent that they're doing it for only the basest political reasons.
Here's a brief excerpt:
[T]he consensus on which Bush relied [in stating that Iraq had WMD] was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:
If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons-of-mass-destruction program.
Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:
Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton’s National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:
He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.
Finally, Clinton’s Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained “absolutely convinced” of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.
That's the tip of the iceberg. In the piece there are also plenty of quotes to the same effect from Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence the Administration had.
But the main point is this: The quotes above make it absolutely laughable -- a lie, in fact -- for Democrats to assert that President Bush led us into war by using or manipulating evidence that he knew to be false. Of course that won't stop the Democrats from making the charge. But it does make it absolutely apparent that they're doing it for only the basest political reasons.
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The Dems talking about Iraq have the same effect on me, I am shocked! Ya sure!
But, but... how could anyone fit "Bush Acted in Good Faith to Defend the Country Using the Best Intelligence Available" on a bumper sticker, let alone rhyme anything with it?
(Do you think the atmosphere immediately following 9/11/2001 in which it was posited that "Bush Knew" did anything to influence a decision to go to war?)
No, "Bush Lied" is far better for the Leftwing Bumper Sticker industry. I don't see that message changing.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I...ca.n't..ty.pe...i'm...laugh..ing....so....HARD...
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
what a bunch of chumps.
Like most Democrats, Draino willing ignores the fact and believes the fiction. Who's really the chump?
Great comebacks guys. I'm almost as wounded as the president...
By the way who said I'm a democrat Greta? Just cause I don't defend liers and swallow this crap Liebau publishes?
Bush should do what his father does when wallowing in the polls and meeting with foreign dignataries - puke on himself. Maybe he'll get the sympathy vote..
Oh that's right he already pissed himself when Condi wouldn't give him permission to go to the bathroom at the UN....
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Common guys don't get upset!! I know your having a bad week but I love George, really....he amuses me!!
ChUmps.
Carol, this is sad--you aren't even copying the best any longer. You really do need to take a break and start afresh.
Anyway, Kevin Drum has a nice little take down of Podhoretz. (I'm going to take the Liebau approach and merely copy from someone else's work...)
Lots of people did believe that Iraq had WMD before the war. The problem Podhoretz doesn't bother wrestling with, however, is that after the war concluded we discovered that there were also a fair number of people who had been skeptical about Iraqi WMD. INR, for example, thought the African uranium was bogus. DIA thought our prime witness for Iraqi-al-Qaeda WMD collaboration was lying. The Air Force found the evidence on drones to be laughable. DOE didn't believe in the aluminum tubes. None of these dissents was acknowledged by the Bush administration.
Nor does Podhoretz apply himself to the entire period before the war. He stops his investigation at the end of 2002. But that's not when we went to war. We went to war in March 2003, and by that time UN inspectors had been combing Iraq for months with the help of U.S. intelligence. They found nothing, and an increasing chorus of informed minds was starting to wonder if perhaps there was nothing there.
Seem to me, I recall quite a few liberals arguing in Spring 2003 that we needed to give the weapon inspectors more time.
Kevin ends with the most damning evidence of administration malfeasance of all.
In any case, if it's really true that the Bush administration did nothing to spin, exaggerate, or lie about WMD before the war, why are war supporters so relentlessly trying to suppress any congressional investigation into this? You'd think they'd welcome it instead. For a bunch of innocent bystanders, they sure are acting awfully guilty.
By the by, now that I have let Kevin have the main say, let me just amplify on his points.
The Bush Administration continually downplayed any evidence against WMD. The Congress did not see the same intelligence because the White House deleted any caveats or contradictions to their case. Willfully failing to disclose the negative side is, by definition, "manipulating the evidence."
Second, it is nice that Republicans have quotes dating back to 1998. Where are the groundswell of Democratic voices backing the Administration's claims after the weapons inspectors found nothing for months? Why aren't those quoted?
Finally, I do have to say it is nice to see that the veracity of President Clinton is now held in such high regard by the right wing. Who says time doesn't heal all wounds?
This confirms your story
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/09/italy/index.html?sid=1411822
No only not disclosing but actually
manufacturing this WMD bull.
Sorry Here is the complete link
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/
2005/11/09/italy/
index.html?sid=1411822
On Salon
Niger forgeries: The Italian connection
Did Italian spooks collude with American neocons to trump up evidence for war?
By Samuel Loewenberg
.. But Clinton!!
1 - Democrats didn't "vote for war". They voted to give Bush authority to start a war, if it was necessary. Bush, when asking for this authority, called it a vote for peace. So stop calling it otherwise.
2 - The Whitehouse not only had access to information others didn't, it in fact SAID SO. I myself watched Cheney on TV indicate that he had access to information noone else did. Many people supported war on the basis of trusting that the Whitehouse knew something they didn't.
3 - Being right or wrong about WMD in Iraq has nothing to do with lieing to start a war. The fact is, the Whitehouse said they were sure about the evidence when they weren't. It's on that basis that he got the authority. Even if they found/find WMD, it doesn't change how we got there.
4 - Starting an unneccesary war is the absolute worst of warcrimes, because it leads to all others. Such as torture. Such as burning the flesh off of children.
We executed Japanese for this crime after WWII. Don't compare this most horrible crime with the boasting brinkmanship of Democratic politicians trying to pressure Hussein into compliance. Bush is the one who started the war. It was, in fact, not preemptive of anything (not that preemptive war is allowed under the international law we created anyway). He needs to take responsibility as the war criminal he is.
Carol,
Try and see this rationally.
Those who start the war, own the war.
Clinton may have had false info but was not hell bent on starting a war as we have now found out cheney and Rumsfeld were.
Bush took us to war with faulty information that HE KNEW was faulty, he Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice pushed for the war.
End of Story. That is how it will be seen by history.
Bush had plenty of experts on the table diagree with the assessment that Iraq had WMDs
This is the lie that people like you keep perpetrating. Everyone did NOT believe the claim was true
those who disagreed were purged out of the decision making process
there have been 5 cabinet level cliams to this effect
asshats
The Clinton White House obviously wasn't sure enough about WMDin Iraq to launch an invasion in 1998. You can bet Clinton would have listened to those who were voicing doubt about the conventional wisdom on WMDs, rather than ignoring them.
Nor was Clinton searching desperately for a pretext to invade Iraq.
In the 90's Democrats weren't writing about invading Iraq and establishing by force a 'democracy' there, as were the so-called neo-cons.
And after the 9/11 attacks organized and run from Afghanistan, you can bet the Clinton administration would have focused its efforts there, rather than starting a war somewhere else.
Or maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened at all, since Clinton would almost certainly have taken the August PDB more seriously and perhaps listened to people like Richard Clarke.
Sorry. Talk is one thing. When you invade another country, the standard for intelligence has to be much higher.
Freedom of speech is one of the greatest rights our democracy affords us. Yet sometimes the abuse of this freedom by people who misuse it by publicly lying or distorting facts to achieve their sometimes transparent goals makes this freedom seem as one of our democracy's faults.
This would be a mistake. Just because people like this dishonest hack, Carol, have a forum from which to prevaricate and lie doesn't mean that we should not cherish our right to express ourselves.
Others who have recently lied with deadly results have been Cheney,Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, and many lesser known functionaries. From the imaginary uranium purchase(backed by forgeries), the innocuous aluminum tubes and the non-existent impending mushroom clouds they had reason to doubt , if not outright know, these claims were invalid given all the internal government opposition to making them. Yet these elected officials saw fit to peddle them as incontrovertable facts in order to SCARE the American public into backing them in this unfortunate Iraq escapade.
The American people have woken up to this deceit as evidenced by their positions in recent polls. This is something very difficult to reverse in light of all the facts that are daily coming to light . If anything, the number of doubters in America will keep increasing with more evidence rising to the surface.
Certainly if Congress doesn't get around to it, history will certainly reveal the truth behind this bankrupt presidency and their courtesan hacks like this Carol person.
Don't worry guys.
Mr. Twister, Todd, Diane, Ickabod and the rest of you with GOOD COMMON SENSE. Keep those crosses firmly gripped and the garlic strand around your neck.
As for Carol and her pack of Conserva-vampires - get back in your coffins and pull the blinds before the light of truth disintegrates you. Your ilk is being cleansed.
No one believes you liers anymore:
This off Today's AP wire:
Almost six in 10 — 57 percent — said they do not think the Bush administration has high ethical standards and the same portion says President Bush is not honest, an AP-Ipsos poll found
I'm sure Carol will find some excuse. Let me suggest one. It's Abercrombie and Fitch's fault!!!
Let me start by saying that I think Bush is a dangerous moron. Now that I've set your teeth grinding, I want to go on to agree with most of the original post.
I also want to remind you that the main source of anti-Saddam/WMD fabrications, Ahmed the Thief of the Iraqi National Congress, became an employee of the Department of Defense (via the PR firm, Rendon Group) in 1992. Through all the Clinton years, he continued to receive his $4 million per annum for cooking up the lies which would inevitably lead to the invasion of Iraq.
Democrats generally don't want to discuss that topic.
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