Carol Platt Liebau: "Porn Radio"

Friday, July 28, 2006

"Porn Radio"

Has the culture really come to this? A Fresno radio station has taken to calling itself "porn radio" -- and plays songs with overtly suggestive titles, adding moans, groans and other sound effects to tamer songs. It suggests that those under 21 not listen.

What a wholesome use of the public airwaves.

22 Comments:

Blogger JillMartin said...

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9:36 AM  
Blogger Cavalor Epthith said...

Radios have knobs or buttons that allow you to tune out or turn off. Enough of telling people what they can and cannot hear. Do something useful instead of advocating censorship.

3:41 PM  
Blogger amber said...

CE, How do you suggest we block our children from these stations? Are parents supposed to confiscate headphones and radios from their kids? I can block my children from TV and web sites that I do not want them to see, but how do I put a block on the radio? Also, do I need to be subjugated to even 10 seconds of that kind of behavior just because I am flipping through stations? It is difficult enough to try and be holy and show our love for God by doing what he asks of us without having sex all around us.

Forget it, I have already lost this battle, one trip to the mall can show me that.

4:50 PM  
Blogger skribe said...

Pure capitalism. Let the market decide.

9:36 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

Yeah cav, radios and TVs have knobs and on/off switches. Thanx for the tip. But what the hell is wrong with those who feel they need to broadcast this crap? Pure capitalism? Let the market decide? This is where liberalisms ideas of free speech and separation of chuch and state have led us. How does this type of thing enhance our culture? This promotes self-gratification over self-discipline and morals. To leave it to capitalism, to cry about censorship, is a vote for enabling the worst in human nature to have the floor. I support anything that puts this kind of nonsense back where it belongs, in the fantasies of sick and immature masturbators that sully our society.

10:00 PM  
Blogger skribe said...

And here you thought you didn't have much in common with the Taleban, MA.

3:08 AM  
Blogger Fredrick Schwartz said...

Marshall there's nothing wrong with these people, they are just like Ralph Reed or Jack Abramoff or Halliburton they are trying to make an honest buck and they are willing to get in the gutter to do it.

Do you think that if prayer is allowed in public forums private "sin" will decline? And another thing which prayer? I'd like to hear something from the Torah at my city council meetings. In Detroit it might prefer the Qu'ran. What of the Buddhist, the Shinto. I will except a round robin or drawing of lots prayer schedule but not of a mandated Christian or mandated Muslim or mandated anything based upon "our Founding Fathers all wanted this to be a Christian nation". They wanted us to keep religion out of government so men could be free to live spritual lives without fear or to not believe at all. Such is the brilliance of men like Thos. Jefferson.


Censorship is the second rule of fascists. The first one is gun control. Eventually, the neocons will, in the interst of "public safety", take the guns away from you.

Honestly folks there are a thousand fundie preachers and conservative talk radio hosts dominating AM radio and now they have crept into FM radio. As a Jew what if I am offended by people who say my kin, from long ago, are guilty of killing your Messiah? I say you have a right to broadcast what ever you wish that does not advocate bringing real physical harm to another.

The first amendment people, remember that one? If you want decorum, if you really want things to be "nice" like they were in the 50s, and trust me they really weren't that "nice" with all those women on amphetamines and Miltown, then offer them up to the voters. Change the law at the polls and then be ready to fight in court. Because there will be a battle. People like titillating conversation and graphic sexual images streamed into their computers, televisions and cell phone and the numbers prove it. Some of those folks Marshall are members of your church, I would bet the entire farm on it.

And Amber,

No we cannot be with our children every minute of every day monitoring what they see or hear that's not realistic at all. But being "subjugated" subjected you meant to say but really exposed would have been a better choice, to a few seonds of Stern or some other shock jock is no price to pay for a public airwaves full of good entertainment. I dunno what's in your mall that offends you so much but adults are free to make their own decisions within the law. If something in public offends your sensibilities, then I would suggest you take it up with mall management, they like having their existence justified.

And bless you for trying to live a holy life in a world full of hypocrites. I wish you all the best with that.

F.S.

5:38 AM  
Blogger amber said...

FS,
first,
The founding fathers wanted to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government, there is a differance.
Second,
the first ammendment does not afford people the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever the want. Third,
listenning to 10 seconds of Chuck Swindhol is completely differant than 10 seconds of something that begs people to go out and sin. I am not opposed to religious speach on the radio, no matter what religion, but I would be opposed to KKK doctrine being spewed through the airwaves, to me crass sexual speach is the same thing. Forth,
I meant subjugated, not subjected. Subjugated: to make subservient to, to be brought under something's control. What do you think sexual noises do to a human's brain? They do a whole lot more than just get recognized, when we see or hear those images, our brain registers it for what it is and if I do not want to think impure thoughts, too late, I already am. For those 10 seconds part of my brain is hostage to that kind of speach. Speach that does not glorify my love and respect for my husband instead it soils it.
Fifth,
if you do not know what I mean about the mall, walk by Abercrombie and Fitch or Victoria's Secret (all owned by the Limited Corporation). I know a man who stood in front of Ambercrombie, in front of a sign that had a photo of a young man in his underwear. The guy told the salespeople that he thought it was totally inappropriate and it should not be there. They told him it was acceptable and he was being silly. He proceded to unzip his pants and pull them down, to which they replied he could not do that, he said "why? You just said it was perfectly acceptable" OOOOOO and here comes free speach again, do you define speach as just words? or can it include actions as well? Based on your argument, it is perfectly fine for people to run around without their clothes, they are making a statement. See, there is a point to where free speach is no longer free, we need to draw the line somewhere.

7:25 AM  
Blogger Cavalor Epthith said...

Not being an American, I would imagine my opinion carries about as much weight as the price of pie and chips. Still I think if you, Amber are offended by the advertising of Abercrombie & Fitch of Victoria's Secret you should boycott them write letters to their parent holding companies and contact your local media and like minded people should protest. That is your right under the 1st amendment.

Still, as a rational creature I do not think most of the people who expouse certain beliefs are any less likely to engage in "sinful" shopping as anyone else. I would guarantee there are many Chirstians who by bras and panties from Victoria's Secret as well as pagans who eat at Chick-fil-A. Commerce, for the most part like Government, is the bailiwick of those with money and the power that it brings. As soon as massive ship of fundamentalist religion moving into the public sector infringes on the commercial might of the corporate elite it will be run aground, broken up and the wreck set aflame.

And as far as the man who pulled his pants down I would say good on him for making the point but he missed the legal difference between and "advert" and public indecency. The laws of your community allow for A & F to advertise as they do. if they were out of bounds then they would have been brought to task by local law enfocement. This is why they can show scantily clas still IMAGES. What the complaining man did was covered by a local ordinance that prohibits people from disrobing in public save for times of emergency. One is protected speech in the name of commerce limited by law the other is exhibitionism illegalized by a separate law.

Vive la difference!

C.E.

9:12 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Carol,

What age group do you recommend listen to the president who uses the "S-word" and for the first lady who tells animal sex jokes?

10:04 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

First, ditzohead. What private conversations that are picked up by snooping newsies are one thing. There's a big difference between private conversations and that which is broadcast over free public airwaves. I know you like to harp on any little lack of perfection in George & Co. and that's just the petty nonsense that muddies the debate which you like to employ. Save it. George ain't about to put such language into public speeches and that's what we're talking about.

And in this day and age, with pay television, Sirius radio, internet that goes directly to your homes where you can indulge your lack of morals, there is hardly a need for such crap in the public sphere, where small children can be exposed.

But it goes back to my question of how this garbage enhances our culture. That the fifties weren't the squeeky clean era some would claim is beside the point. There were far fewer "unwanted" pregnancies, far fewer divorces, far fewer incidents of debauchery depicted in any of the medium of the time and above all, there was a general sense that it was a good thing. There's a difference between the private sinfulness of a people and the public pronouncements that such activities are or should be acceptable. That we fall short of perfection is one thing, that we promote such is quite another. Once again, how does this enhance our culture? To wallow in the worst of human nature. To get to the point where our young now think in terms of dressing in provacative ways and then to expect others not to respond in kind. The answer is that it hasn't enhanced our culture at all, but has enabled people in their desire to gratify any urge. Show where any good comes from this.

skribe,

I'm not advocating force censorship of such things. I'm advocating the elevation of each individuals personal character. That we choose to eliminate such crap from the public sphere. Should we as a voting block choose to restrict such crap from the airwaves, I support it and vote yes. A society has a right and duty to determine its own character. Obscenity laws are a part of this. It's good thing as it draws a line as to what that society deems to be acceptable behavior. A free society with no limitations is not what the founders had in mind at all.

Fred,

That fact is that this is, still, despite her flaws, a Christian nation, founded by Christians, and as such, Christian prayers before the start of Congressional business is far more appropriate than the prayers of any of the other faiths you've presented. Should the the population shift to mostly Druids, then prayers of that faith would be an appropriate reflection of the people of the nation. Deal with it. No one is prohibiting you in the practice of your faith. BTW, it was indeed Jews who crucified my Lord. Not all of them, only the hypocritical religious leaders that Jesus came to correct on behalf of the Father for the sake of His Chosen People, the nation of Israel. The teachings of Christ pissed off the religious leaders who were corrupt at the time and taking advantage of their own people. Keep in mind that Jesus and His followers were also Jewish, so no one is trying to say that ALL the Jews killed Christ. There's nothing in the New Testament that even suggests it.

Finally, it doesn't matter where you come from in order to discuss on any blog as far as I'm concerned, as long as the host doesn't care. But cav's post touches on the very point, that what is allowed by law is also part of the issue of the downward direction of our national character. Ads, A&F's, that push the line of decency farther, radio stations like the highlighted one here, performances like Madonna's, do nothing to project a picture of a good and wholesome nation, but they do a lot to encourage behavior that damages us in a host of ways. That the porn industry is booming is testament to the wrong direction public morality has taken. Will it ever turn around, or is it a thinning of the herd that will enter the Gates?

4:26 PM  
Blogger Diane Tomlinson said...

I get the early shift on Sunday and because of thst i get to see the comments left by my boss and my colleague (Cavalor and Fred S.).

I would respond to Marshall's response to dittohead as "typical" our way or the highway attitude of the current supporters of the American right. So if everything you do in private filthy speech, drunkenness, sexual perversion is OKAY, then where is the morality? Is this just a front for the sheep they herd? We call that hypocritical behavior where I come from.

America should be a Moral nation a spiritual nation, but never a Christian nation as the religion of Protestant belief goes now. The religion is not one of love your brother or even do unto tohers as you have them do unto you. Christendom in America has become as materialized, secreted, marketed and bastardized with men like Osteen, Falwell, Coe and Schuller that it may well never recover. But millions of people too unintelligent to seek guidenace elsewhere are willing to be TOLD how to vote despite the damage it does to their own lives, livlihoods and the very Constitution that holds fascism at bay.

I will stand behind the words of Thomas Jefferson regarding the marriage of religion and politics:
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."

And Thomas Paine as well:

"Accustom a people to believe that priests, or any other class of men can forgive sins, and you will have sins in abundance."

D.T.

7:43 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Some people today assert that the United States government came from Christian foundations. They argue that our political system represents a Christian ideal form of government and that Jefferson, Madison, et al, had simply expressed Christian values while framing the Constitution. If this proved true, then we should have a wealth of evidence to support it, yet just the opposite proves the case.

Although, indeed, many of America's colonial statesmen practiced Christianity, our most influential Founding Fathers broke away from traditional religious thinking. The ideas of the Great Enlightenment that began in Europe had begun to sever the chains of monarchical theocracy. These heretical European ideas spread throughout early America. Instead of relying on faith, people began to use reason and science as their guide. The humanistic philosophical writers of the Enlightenment, such as Locke, Rousseau, and Voltaire, had greatly influenced our Founding Fathers and Isaac Newton's mechanical and mathematical foundations served as a grounding post for their scientific reasoning.

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." (James Madison)

"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England." (Ben Franklin)

"That religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience." (Patrick Henry)

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta [Constitution] of our country" (George Washington, 1789).

9:06 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

That's nice. I won't waste any more time printing other quotes from most of those same gentelmen extolling the virtues of a moral population in the success of their new form of government. You keep insisting I call for religion in government. I don't. I call for all people to cut the crap and start acting like mature adults.

Diane,

It's not "my way or the highway" of which I speak, but that the character of the nation is already on it's way down the wrong highway. It's not that immoral behavior in private is OK, but that there's a difference between indulging in private and the public endorsement of improper behavior as acceptable. If a person can't control his libido, I'd prefer he stay in the closet than parade around (and for gay pride parades, this can be taken literally) with public displays, whether in the streets or over the public airwaves where children can stumble upon it.

I would also say that you have no idea of the reality of today's Christian community based on your comments. "Millions" of Christians too stupid to vote on their own is, well, too stupid a comment to honor with a reply. At the same time, to hear so many on the left parrot the same crap over and over, one wonders if that more suitably applies to them. As to how a vote will affect one's livelihood, it seems to me that to consider profit over right and wrong to be something my Lord would look upon with some disdain. We call that selfish greed where I come from.

That there may be some people of faith that haven't the smarts to separate what they THINK their religion says and what it DOES say is simply a number that thinks in the same manner that liberals think about Christians. But the fact is, most Christians I've ever met, if they were political, were thoughtful and simply smart enough to know when some lefty is trying to create one of their famous "gray areas" and don't fall for it. Then the lefty calls them names like, bigot or backward. Sort of like the tone you and your cohorts use.

Now for all those fine quotes, I would offer David Barton's book, "Original Intent" to counter those ditto used, but of course, I would then anticipate him crappin' on Barton in some manner, despite the fact that he researched his material at the Library of Congress wherein a plethora of writings of the founders are catalogued. That's because, anything that supports the right is crap, and only that which supports the left is, how shall I say it, "gospel".

One more thing for Freddy,

It has always been, and will most likely always be, the libs who have disarmed the law abiding in THIS country, thank you very much. And as we see with gay activists being coddled by the left, it is the left who is stifling Christian speech in the public square. Who's the real fascists?

9:42 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

One more thing:

With all the blathering, no one has yet given an answer to my question of how such things, like this porn radio, enhances our society and culture. I doubt you can.

9:44 PM  
Blogger skribe said...

That one's easy, MA. The new format increases the station's market share, thereby increasing its revenue potential and earning ability. More profit. More employment. More taxes. More royalities. More music. Definitely an enhancement to society and culture. Happy happy joy joy. In Oz we call it capitalism.

1:33 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Marshall,

Barton's material was thrown out of public school as the court found his video and book was teaching Middle East Fundamentalism and not American History.

2:14 AM  
Blogger Diane Tomlinson said...

Marshall I feel ya brother.

It must be tough in a nation of 200 million purported Christians and over 40,000 Southern baptist Convention churches alone to get heard over all of those people persecuting you.

Now that is a tired old saw that needs to be put aside before it hurts someone.

What the people who have felt their dictatorial hegemony over women and minorities broken over the past one hundred years, mostly white men in the case of American Protestantism in recent times is a clear need for revenge.

The easiest way to gain that dish served cold is to mobilize the millions that worship loike them around political and social issues that offend them. Fifty years ago Marshall we would have been having this same conversation about interracial marriage and you would have spewed forth the same sewage about how oiffended you are at the sight of a loving mixed couple walking down the street holding hands.

By being so fearful the very thing you fear takes power. The problem with people who "immerse themselves in Grace" they forget that the Creator made them with faults and that piety is not a panacea, a curative that excises humanity, from the Soul. Piety, for its own sake, is only a ladder Man can use to stack bricks upon his pedestal to allow his eventual fall to be from a height that much greater.

Do you really think in a nation built by the broken spirit of slaves and poorly treated immigrants; a nation built by men and women of a race and a class that were bent on subjugating all other to a point the would fight a civil war that adherence to some religion any religion would trump greed and privilege unearned??

Even the churches exist as organs to reap profit! I would welcome churches to move into the public sphere, run and endorse candidates and even for a Christian Restoration party, but I like Jefferson would demand that they pay taxes from that point forward. And that marshall is what all of this is about isn't it? Power and money. That's what drives both sides the secular and the religious alike, that lovely ability to tell others what to do and sit back smiling while they do it under penalty of law.

The real lesson of life is that in matters that do not involve breach of law and quoting our Majordomo:

"Morality is an individual soul's view of a valley from atop a hill upon from which We all stand; tolerance is our ability to not push our fellow Man off that hill for not seeing the valley as we do." --Pain, from Terra Immortalis

D.T.

4:43 AM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

Oh, these wacky Republicans. Sex? It's evil! Murdering uncounted civillians to catch a handful of enemies? That's the Christian way!

10:56 AM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

DT

You make the mistake of viewing history from the perspective of the present. Of the ills you speak regarding our nation in bygone days, such things were commonplace and of course don't mesh with modern views of the world or even Christendom. Today's Christian is not like yesterday's, and we do not hold with much that went before, due to a better understanding and modern sensabilities. Your use of the tired and irrelevant inter-racial marriage angle doesn't work due to no Biblical restrictions against it. The KKK uses one verse as a basis for their views, and it's out of context and just plain incorrect. But the Biblical restrictions against sexual immorality are plain and easy to decipher even for you if you'd look.

And I can only hope, but it's an empty hope, that I'll never again have to state that I don't look for a theocratic government, but at the same time, one doesn't need religion to see the harm an immoral people can cause. The spread of STD's, particularly among younger and younger kids, should be enough by itself, but hey, I don't want to deprive any one from indulging their crotches. For the life of me, I can't understand why this position is so threatening. Why wouldn't any of you "progressives" want a nation of goodness, instead of decadence and self-gratification? You prefer to point to the sins of our fathers as some goofy proof that there's nothing to be gained by adhering to higher notions of human spirit.

I caught the end of a movie with Robert Duval and Haley Joel Osmet. Duval was telling the kid that it doesn't much matter if what you belive is true. (I'm paraphrasing). It doesn't matter if good always triumphing over evil is true or not, if true love is all that matters is true or not, if honor, courage and discipline matter or not. But those are all good things to believe in and aspire to. Apparently you "progressives" on the other hand, would rather capitulate to the worst in human nature and wallow in your lusts and somehow make THOSE things protected by law. Yeah, that's a better idea.

skribe subskribes to the idea that anything for profit is a good thing. DT thinks the church exists for profit. wrabkin once again dabbles in the tired liberal moral equivilency of sex vs collateral damage in wartime. What a sad, pathetic group.

12:37 AM  
Blogger skribe said...

Your opposition to laissez-faire capitalism would make Comrade Ulyanov proud, MA.

3:53 AM  
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9:39 PM  

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