Carol Platt Liebau: Sending the Wrong Signal

Friday, July 28, 2006

Sending the Wrong Signal

So Israel has decided not to advance any farther into Lebanon.

It's understandable that Ehud Ohlmert wants to avoid a bloody guerrilla war on the ground in Lebanon. But we can all only hope that the Israelis understand that any opportunity to cripple Hezbollah shouldn't be surrendered lightly. In this conflict, they're a proxy for the entire West -- and the Islamofascists will interpret any reluctance to take the fight to the enemy as confirmation of its conviction that the civilized world lacks the intestinal fortitude to fight.

The Israelis needn't send in lots of ground troops. Instead, it should simply drop leaflets warning civilians to evacuate, and then carpet bomb all the places twenty miles within Lebanon from which rockets have been launched.


Blogger JillMartin said...

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9:35 AM  
Blogger wile e coyote said...

I take Carol's point to be that the war should be pursued to a successful conclusion. Carpet bombing won't necessarily work since many installations are buried deeply underground, and you need infantry to overrun the positions, find the bunkers, and then eliminate them one by one.

Carol's point, and Jill's response, raise a deeper question. What if the only way for Israel to achieve security on its Northern border is to wipe out the Lebanese Shia?

We like to believe that Hezbollah has held the population of Southern Lebanon hostage. But, what if this is not the case? What if the people of Southern Lebanon support Hezbollah in its stated war of elimination against Israel?

What should Israel do then, Carol and Jill? Should the Israelis do to the Lebanese Shia what they state they intend to do to the Israelis?

Bear in mind that in our war against Japan, the US had to consider eliminating the population of Japan as the only way to win the war. Like the Islamofascists, many hardliners in the Japanese military looked upon a fight to the last person as a spiritually sublime act.

9:59 AM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

And once we destroy the homes of every civillian in Lebanon, all the displaced people will naturally come to love and respect Israel and the US and there will be no more terrorism.

Because displaced people who have lost their homes to a bombing campaign and seen friends and relatives who missed or refused to heed the flyers blown into bloddy pieces will inevitably turn to peace and brotherly love. And there will be no more violence anywhere in the world.

Has anyone in the Republican party ever stepped outside their country club? Or even talked to one of the waiters beyond asking for more butter? Because you seem to have no idea of what human beings are actually like.

Remember the anger you (and even Democrats!) felt on 9/11? Don't you think people in other countries feel the same way about their homes?

11:30 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Well stated Wabkin. I sincerely enjoy your common sense, reasoning, and intellect.

11:42 AM  
Blogger wile e coyote said...

Rabkin and Dhead seem to agree with the first part of my point that it is not enough to destroy the houses; you might have to destroy the people.

Question for jillmartin, rabkin and Dhead: what do you do when the "FREAKIN nut" is the enemy who has sworn to kill you and who views his own death in the process as a consummation devoutly to be wished"?

11:57 AM  
Blogger JillMartin said...

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12:32 PM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

ah Jill, NOW I understand why all you liberals want to let all the criminals out of jail and coddle the immoral in society.

Hmm, why is that exactly?

And it's been going on a lot longer than 100 years. 1300 is closer to it. Ain't going to stop because we do nothing.

I say again:
The beauty of doing nothing is that you can do it perfectly. Only when you do something is it almost impossible to do it without mistakes. Therefore people who are contributing nothing to society except their constant criticisms can feel both intellectually and morally superior. -- Thomas Sowell

I'll add:
It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Sowell

sorry if I'm often snide on this site!

12:49 PM  
Blogger wile e coyote said...

I admire Jill for admitting she doesn't know what should be done.

Nobody KNOWS what should be done. Perhaps we sometimes have a better sense of what should NOT be done, although nobody really KNOWS that either.

For me, Jill's comment raises two more points:

1. That we should cut some slack to those in positions of authority who don't KNOW what has to be done but who have RESPONSIBILITY to do SOMETHING.

2. Jill assumes that the unpleasant effect we are experiencing is due to a cause that connected with our own morally bad behavior. Jill's two examples portray the other side as less than a fully responsible moral actor (dog, child). I will not say this is wrong, but I will point it out as a fundamental difference between the mindsets of liberals and conservatives on this issue. In the case of the conservative, the other side has to pay for the consequences of its choices. In the case of the liberal, we hesitate to make the other side pay for the consequences of OUR choices.

1:04 PM  
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1:22 PM  
Blogger HouseOfSin said...

I have not a whole lot to add, but I do want to address some things to the group on this.

First, two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped and missing. Speaking of "sending signals," what signals are current Israeli soldiers sent at present?

To listen to the media (Broder, Robinson, others), these soldiers don't exist. Existing soldiers whose whereabouts are known may well conclude that if they fight and are captured, "enlightened" opinion will be to ignore them, and pretend they never existed.

In my mind, a cease-fire sends exactly that signal to soldiers, present and future, who might fight for a cause, the signal that soldiers who are captured are on their own.

NO, NO, NO. Would those of you who are enlightened please explain to me why no one mentions them anymore?

Or why their safe return (in whatever condition) should not be the barest of minimal terms for any cease-fire?

Final thought: The word "soldier" is emotionally loaded, I realize. But these men were not in combat (that they were aware of) at the time of the attack. They were inside of sovereign, UN-ratified borders, minding their own business. They may as well have been civilians.

3:08 PM  
Blogger amber said...

Rush had an excellant point today, for everyone who gets weak when they here civilians are dying in Lebanon. He asked where he could purchase a Hezbolah uniform. When he was told that they did not have any he said "Aha! Then all of the 'civilian death counts in Lebanon are meaningless because the enemy looks exactly like a civilian" (paraphrase) I would like to go even fruther to say that when they talk about innocent children dying they never say how old these innocent children are. It is not uncommon for kids as young as 7&8 to take up arms. As for the grief stricken Lebanese who were fortunate enough to survive the war, I do not think they will be a terror problem. Hitler's SS who survived did not run around exterminating people after the war was over. Besides, if they are a problem, then Israel did not finish the job. I also think it is funny that wrabkin would say that Republicans are the country club babies. The Democrat base has more money than the Republicans do. The Republicans raised more because the middle class gave to the party, not because Wal Mart donated. I may not be poor, but I am certainly not rich. Crying out loud, my house is over 100 years old, I removed the bat colony that resided in my attic last summer, when it rains hard I smell sewage, not to mention what the humidity does to spread the odor of guano through the house. I hire a maid twice a month because I know I can not do it all, but it is not financially easy to do that. My house is killing me, I had pleurisy so bad from the toxicity of my home that both of my lungs almost collapsed. Obvioulsy I need a new home, but I do not have the funds to have another 160-200,000 dollar mortgage and I could not sell this place, so please, don't insult all of us hard working conservative Republicans by saying I never leave the country club, I have never been to a country club.

5:10 PM  
Blogger Greg said...


The United States and Israel have a right and a responsibility to defend themselves against UNPROVOKED attacks. Islamic Terrorists have never honored a negotiated peace. They are not interested in social justice or economic opportunity. They want to destroy the West. We have no choice but to fight them.

Also, I've never belonged to a country club. And I married a waitress. Am I supposed to be a Democrat or something?

9:28 AM  

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