Carol Platt Liebau: The "Hypocritic" Oath?

Thursday, June 08, 2006

The "Hypocritic" Oath?

These doctors apparently believe that it's a violation of the Hippocratic Oath for psychologists and psychiatrists to participate in the interrogation of enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay.

That's interesting, because the interrogations that take place are done with the aim of preventing further terrorist attacks, and saving lives.

One can't help but wonder if the two authors, who are pretty clearly left-wingers, believe that it's a violation of any ethical standards for doctors to perform, say, partial birth abortions.

12 Comments:

Blogger Dr Faust said...

Who would have thought they are performing partial birth abortions at GITMO. Are there female prisoners there?

What are the numbers now? Out of 1,100 prisoners about 1,000 are or will be released with no charges and after 3 years there are 11 charges with none of them being capital offenses. And no convictions yet.

7:34 PM  
Blogger Dr Faust said...

If anyone is interested.....

Psychological Warfare? A Debate on the Role of Mental Health Professionals in Military Interrogations at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Beyond

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/11/1335217

8:48 PM  
Blogger RovingWireTap said...

Dropping a nuclear bomb and killing 26 million would keep us safe also.

How is it legal to mentally break a person that may be innocent. These people have not even been charged with a crime. And how about caring about the person who is doing the interrogation. Do you think they are unaffected?

This is a complex issue being discussed by the mental associations and international bodies. Screaming baby killers is cheap and unfair. And you are not even in the medical profession.

11:12 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

So many people talk about the prisoners at GITMO as if they are ordinary citizens picked up in a police raid and held without criminal charges.

Have I missed something?

I thought these were illegal combatants (non uniformed, hiding among and behind non-combatants, intentional capture and murder of non-combatants, etc.) captured on the battle field. I also thought that illegal combatants by definition have less rights than legal combatants.

I must be missing something.

Maybe illegal combatants, like illegal aliens, are supposed to enjoy all the rights and privileges of American citizens simply because the left thinks so.

6:00 AM  
Blogger Duke-Stir said...

And maybe anyone held in Guantanamo should be assumed to be guilty simply because George Dubya and his blind faithful say so. After all, how could we possibly have unjustly incarcerated anyone?

6:24 AM  
Blogger jeankelly said...

Greg,

Already 1000 of the 1100 are considered innocent and are or will be set free without any charges. So we already know 1000 were just ordinary citizens.

Unless you look into this, you are missing alot. The UN and European nations want GITMO closed. Red Cross and other organizations are saying interrogation techniques being used is torture.

By all means, capture terrorists, try them and bring justice but so far not a single prisoner has been found guilt of anything.

6:37 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

If the U.N. and Europe says so, it MUST be true, right?

Where exactly were these "innocent" civilians captured? Was it not on the battlefields of Afghanistan? Doesn't that make them prisoners of war instead of alleged criminals awaiting charges and trial?

I admit my ignorance on the legal issues here. But isn't it perfectly acceptable to capture the enemy and hold them as prisoners of war until the war is over?

2:34 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

They are specifically NOT being held as prisoners of war. POW status brings with it the protections of the Geneva Conventions, a treaty to which our nation is bound.

The president has declared that these prisoners are not prisoners of war. Nor are they criminal defendants, which would require a different set of protections.

These prisoners have been declared "enemy combatants" who are nevertheless not prisoners of war. It's a special -- and specious -- appelation given specifically to allow our government to claim they have no rights at all, and that we may do with them whatever we want.

3:26 PM  
Blogger RovingWireTap said...

greg,

The mumber are from our military also. Many prisoners came from the US paying Afghan warlords $ 5,000 a head to round up people.

5:34 PM  
Blogger Dr Faust said...

News.......

WASHINGTON - Three detainees at Guantanamo Bay apparently committed suicide amid protests of the U.S. military prison by inmates, the Defense Department said Saturday. They were the first reported deaths at the controversial detention center where suspected terrorists have been held for as long as 4 1/2 years.

1:29 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Greg writes, "I admit my ignorance..."

Admitting that you have a problem is a big fist step, Greg. Keep up the good work.

2:28 PM  
Blogger jeankelly said...

Jumaa's Suicide Letter

In fact, I don’t know where to begin... or how to begin… Josh, Khaled the interpreter… I feel very sorry for forcing you to see…It might be the first time in your life… to see a human being who suffered too much… dying in front of your eyes…I know it is an awful and horrible scene, but…I really feel sorry for you. There was no other alternative to make our voice heard by the world from the depths of the detention centers except this way in order for the world to re-examine its standing and for the fair people of America to look again at the situation and try to have a moment of truth with themselves… why was no conclusion reached with regard to the detainees in Guantanamo, Cuba until now? Till when this tragedy will continue? When will it end after all these years, and when will the detainees go back to their homelands, families, wives and children? When will this tragedy cease to continue… till when? The detainees are suffering from the bitterness of despair, the detention humiliation and the vanquish of slavery and suppression…

Josh, Khaled: Actually I spent nice hours with you… even though they were full of talking about my agonies, pains and grieves… I hope you will always remember that you met and sat with a “human being” called “Jumah” who suffered too much and was abused in his belief, self, in his dignity and also in his humanity. He was imprisoned, tortured and deprived from his homeland, his family and his young daughter who is in the most need for him for four years…with no reason or crime committed. Remember that there are hundreds of detainees in Guantanamo –Cuba – they are in the same situation of suffering and misfortune. They were captured, tortured and detained with no offense or reason. Their lives might end like mine… When you remember me in my last gasps of life before dying, while my soul is leaving my body to rise to its creator, remember that the world let us and let our case down… Remember that our governments let us down… Remember the unreasonable delay of the courts in looking into our case and to side with the victims of injustice… Remember that if there were people who are actually fair and who defend justice and defend the victims of injustice and if there are judges who are fair, I wouldn’t have been wrapped in death shrouds now and my family –my father, my mother, my brothers and sisters, and my little daughter – would not have to lose their son… forever… but what else can I do?

Take some of my blood… take pieces of my death shrouds... take some of my remains…take pictures of my dead body when I am placed in my grave, lonely…send it to the world.. to the judges…to people with live conscious… to people with principles and values, “the fair-minded”…

To make them carry the burden of guilt in front of the world for this soul that was wasted with no guilt it has ever done…

To make them all carry this burden in front of the future generations for this wasted soul that has done no sin…

To make them carry this burden of guilt in front of history for this soul that was wasted with no reason…

After this soul has suffered the worst by the hands of “the protectors of peace and the callers for democracy, freedom, equality and justice”…

There, in the very far east, at the other end of the ocean… there in the east… how many fathers, mothers, wives, siblings, children and other family members who are crying now for their imprisoned children at Guantanamo Bay –Cuba… Why…Why do they have to suffer the agony of separation and swallow the bitterness of deprivation from having their sons…

I am not the only one suffering …this anguish…my family is very much suffering too… My little daughter whom they destroyed her spirit because of my detention and having me taken away from her... sends me letters saying: “Dad please come to me… please come back to me...all the girls in my school have dads, except me?!... Dad, I need you...I want you to come back to me...please come back for my sake...

In fact, I don’t have an answer to her question…The answer to her question is there, with “the fair minded people”...

Josh... Khaled: At this moment, I see death looming in front of me while writing this letter…Death has a bad odor that cannot be smelled except by people who are going through the agony of death only.

Josh... Khaled: farewell… farewell with no hope of you seeing me again…I thank you for everything you have done for me, but I have a final request…

Show the world the letters I gave you…let the world read them…Let the world know the agony of the detainees in Cuba…

Note: I wrote this letter on the same date shown, but I was surprised that Khaled, the interpreter, did not show. I really wanted to see him before I leave this life…I have decided not to make any changes to this letter that was meant to talk to you and Khaled, out of respect to my faithful friend Khaled...(same day at night).

Prisoner of Deprivation / Jumah Abdel Latif Al Dossari
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
(Signature) Friday, 10/14/2005

7:03 PM  

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