Carol Platt Liebau: We're Waiting . . .

Tuesday, June 20, 2006

We're Waiting . . .

Prayers are with the loved ones of the two soldiers who were brutalized and murdered by our enemies in Iraq.

I wonder how long it will take for all the "usual suspects" in the Democratic party and abroad who are so worried about the well-fed prisoners at Guantanamo to weigh in. Where are the fevered denunciations about this breach of the Geneva Conventions?


Blogger CAB said...

Crickets chirping instead of grackles cackling.

10:39 PM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

One word....Abu Ghraib

10:52 PM  
Blogger Pete said...

That's two words, ditto. But regardless, has nothing to do with these latest deaths. You cannot equate college level humiliation with wanton murder. The formula does not work - unless you are a left wing whacko. Can I assume you are not, with a handle like 'dittohead'? I think you picked that to ridicule true conservatives.

5:12 AM  
Blogger amber said...

I would much rather focus on the soldiers than the liberal response. I know their response.

I pray for the troops who were with them, they lost a brother and it must be difficult not being able to go out and hunt the guys down. Everyone has a job to do in the military and not everyone can go out looking and fighting. My husband's and my old brigade lost someone last weekend too. I am no longer in, but that does not stop the anger and the desire to beactive in getting the cowards who put a bomb on the side of the road. The liberals who would use this for political means are just like the terrorists in my mind. These soldiers loved their job and did it all for the country. They believed in their work and the libs who take their sacrifice to use as a part of their own political gain are taking something these guys fought for, something they believed in and using their corpes to say it was worthless. I do not think they have the right. God help them if my husband dies and they attempt to do the same thing with his death. You all think Ann Coulter is bad? Mrs. Amber is far worse when defending her family.

5:58 AM  
Blogger amber said...

Abu Ghraib, DH? You are an ass, you obviously have no love for this country or it's soldiers. What you said is far worse than anything Ann said about the Jersey wives. "It's Ok to torcher our soldiers, terrorists, I understand, you are oppressed and angry that some of your fellow terrorists were forced to be naked in the presence of a woman! I feel so bad for you. Do you need any help? I would love to help your cause, after all I am a chapion of it here, if I can feed you any intelligence on the whereabouts of American soldiers, let me know, after all they al deserve it." Good for you Ditto

6:03 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

And the pro-tirture contingent weighs in...

Pete the Ignorant writes, You cannot equate college level humiliation with wanton murder.

"Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush was being stubborn with his American captors, and a series of intense beatings and creative interrogation tactics were not enough to break his will. On the morning of Nov. 26, 2003, a U.S. Army interrogator and a military guard grabbed a green sleeping bag, stuffed Mowhoush inside, wrapped him in an electrical cord, laid him on the floor and began to go to work. Again.

"It was inside the sleeping bag that the 56-year-old detainee took his last breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents."

"An alleged Iraqi insurgent, Manadel Jamadi, died under intense CIA questioning at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad about 19 months ago." [Cite]

So, Pete, what exactly was your point? Are you calling these deaths college level humiliation or were you merely parrotting some talking point you heard on Fox, Rush, or from Carol?

7:26 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Carol, you were decidedly pro-torture when the US served as torturer. On what moral high ground are you now standing?

Yet more hypocrisy from the ranks of the Platt-Liebau.

7:30 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Oh, yeah, just 'cause I'm sure Carol and Pete are too dim to grasp this on their own. I do condemn the torture of members of the US military.

Unlike Carol and the rest of her hallelujah chorus, I can make this condemnation without being hypocritical, because I have opposed torture in all circumstances.

Most sadly, a universal condemnation of torture used to be one of the hallmarks of the United States of America and its citizens. No longer.

7:37 AM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Amber, I am sorry that you have decided that torture is an American value.

7:39 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

A bit late for the righties to scream what about Genva Convention when you supported the unitary executve who claims he can torture anyone.

Violations of human rights and war crimes such as torture, secret prision, lawless GITMO, renditions, etc. breed hatred and has been used to recruit more torrorists.

Saying the enemy should follow Genva conventions and Bush shouldn't simply doesn't hold water.

Interesting that instead of just offering a prayer for those two soldiers who died a horrific death, Carol chose to use them to make a cheap jab at the left. I expect all American's and civilized people to condemn all acts of torture.

One of the reasons we fight them, is because they don't respect human rights but, Bush has done a wonderful job of undermining that distinction.

7:54 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Oh, twisted, my hero! You've taken the high ground against torture! Where would we be without your wisdom? Please - run for President!

What a clown! I, nor anyone here, condone torture. However, to equate the naked razing of prisoners to REAL torture and beheadings of American troops is an exercise in stupidity! IF the incident with the General you site is true, then there should be a courtmartial - no doubt! That is clearly wrong and uncalled for. However, the happenings at Abu Graib were more like college razings than the brutal torture and killing you discribe. There IS a difference.

And, just for the sake of arguement, what if one of those poor embarrassed terrorists had given information that saved the lives of an American patrol? I think the embarrassment would be well worth it and would applaude loudly those who got the info out!

8:03 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Prayers are offered up regularly for our fallen comrades, DH. I pray with deep pain in my heart, and with thanksgiving that despite the misinformation and crap from the left and the MSM, we still have young people who believe our nation is worth defending.

And I seriously doubt Carol was using the situation to take a jab at the left. A Cindy Sheehan she is not! (Speaking of using a death to take cheap jabs at the right!)

8:15 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Let me simplify, Either you think it's America and our military policies that are to blame for this henious act, or you think it's the barbaric Islamic Jihadists that are to blame...which is it?

8:39 AM  
Blogger Dittohead said...

Let me simplify also. You are either for human rights or you are not.

9:32 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

Carol asked a simple question:

What will be the reaction from those who condemn America's treatment of POWs in GITMO to the brutal murder of American soldiers by Islamic Terrorists?

The answer:

More condemnation of America!

1:57 PM  
Blogger amber said...

I will come out with it. I condone torture for getting information. I would even participate. I do not condone torture for revenge. I do not condone murder for information under most circumstances. I understand our troops will be tortured if caught, I know this, they know this, and yet they still fight. I think we need to respect the soldier instead of say, "well, he got what he deserved." They did not deserve that. What the terrorists did was not for information, it was out of pure hate. I have seen their hate. I have been in the presence of radical muslims. I was 2 minutes from being taken by one. If it were not for the quick legs of a gentleman who I will be forever greatful to, I would have been living a much differant life. I think torture is a valuable tool. The US military disagrees with me, believe it or not. We were never tought to torture. We had 4 days of classes on the Geneva Convention and what we could or could not do. The rules were idiotic and I spoke up and told the drill sergeant that. The rule I questioned was 'you can not take on the uniform of the enemy to disguise yourself'. I said that was retarted, what if we were captured, you mean to tell me I can not slip on a Burka and try to escape? The drill sergant told me no. If there are areas of the government that torturs, it is not the regular military personel. So talking about a culture of the military and how we were tought to torture is simply not true. The people who are sent to Abu Ghraib have mountains of evidence against them. A soldier who was there had this to write about who gets sent there and about the Haditha incident:

All indications are that the entire neighborhood knew of the attacks beforehand. And, that the locals approved. We've been in that situation before. Not always, of course. Sometimes, it was obvious that the locals had no idea that a bomb was in their neighborhood. Sometimes, foreign terrorists even kiled local children as "collatoral damage" in their bombs. Other times, though, its obvious that everyone was in on it.

What do you do? We arrested the bomb-makers and triggermen we found when we could. Unfortunately, only about 10% of our arrests resulted in an Abu Ghraib sentence (an additional 10% in Iraqi prison sentences). The guys that go to Abu Ghraib have a whole mountain of evidence against them, because it seems that the legal standard in Iraq isn't that different than it is in American courtrooms. Most are let go, even with overwhelming evidence against them. The counter-insurgency manuals say that reducing false arrests and imprisonment is often the best strategy, even if that means letting some of the bad guys go. Even so, every time you see a terrorist back out on the streets, it eats at you.

Also about the Haditha incident:

Still, I can't envision a U.S. soldier or marine killing women and children. The most calloused among us couldn't even contemplate that, much less carry it out. Worse yet, I can't imagine an entire fireteam of 3 or 4 soldiers feeling the same way. I just can't reconcile that in my mind. Something is wrong. Something is very wrong, whether with the stories or with the individuals.

I am sorry that my stance on turture seems so inhumane, it comes from my primary need and desire to protect my family (soldiers are a large part of my family) and this country. I did not want to falsly represent my views. I just do not think that torture is the subject, it is how will the liberals choose to honor these soldiers? I received my answer with the second post.

2:46 PM  
Blogger wrabkin said...

Amber said:

"I just do not think that torture is the subject, it is how will the liberals choose to honor these soldiers? I received my answer with the second post."

Let's see... Carol chose to honor these soldiers by using their corpses to attack her political opponents.

2:58 PM  
Blogger amber said...

wrabkin, I agree. I want to say, though, that it could have been ignored, but DH decided that he wanted to take the opportunity to remind us that the soldiers will reap what they sew. I plan on attending the local soldiers funeral... to protect the family from having to face people like DH. How should Carol respond to people who spout the same things DH did? Yes, she could have just put up that the soldiers died and she is praying for the families and then she would not b doing what she accused the left of preparing to do. He point would still have gotten across because people like DH just can not help themselves.

4:13 PM  
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6:10 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Pete the Ignorant writes, " Oh, twisted, my hero! You've taken the high ground against torture!"

Which is something you and the rest of Carol's hallelujah chorus have yet to do. Being opposed to torture used to be considered an American value.

Pete continues with "However, to equate the naked razing of prisoners to REAL torture and beheadings of American troops is an exercise in stupidity!"

Pete, as I noted in response to your previous ignorant rant--we are not talking about naked razing of prisoners. Detainees have died because of US torture. At least dignify their death by not being intentionally ignorant.

7:51 PM  
Blogger Pete said...

Maybe when you dignify the deaths of our courageous military men and women, twisted, I will. But don't hold your breathe - because I am not holding mine waiting for you to defend, or say one thing nice about America.

BTW, I think Fidel has a nice house for you on his "Shining City on a Hill." Don't let the door hit you... on your way out!

You have the audacity to call me ignorant? Humbug!

4:56 AM  

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