Carol Platt Liebau: Say It Isn't So!

Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Say It Isn't So!

Bill Clinton lying?! No - say it isn't so!

But Condoleezza Rice contradicts his account of his alleged efforts in the war on terror -- and she isn't alone. Ex-Clinton "advisors" are weighing in, too.

More inconvenient facts here.

17 Comments:

Blogger Editor said...

Condi contradicts her own sworn testimony and that of Bush's before the 911 commission.

Everyone one remembers Condi's no actionable intelligence and here is Bush's statement.

BLITZER: So you the asked the president in the Oval Office — and the vice president — why didn’t you go after the Taliban in those eight months before 9/11 after he was president. What did he say?

BEN-VENISTE: Well, now that it was established that al Qaeda was responsible for the Cole bombing and the president was briefed in January of 2001, soon after he took office, by George Tenet, head of the CIA, telling him of the finding that al Qaeda was responsible, and I said, "Well, why wouldn’t you go after the Taliban in order to get them to kick bin Laden out of Afghanistan?"

Maybe, just maybe, who knows — we don’t know the answer to that question — but maybe that could have affected the 9/11 plot.

BLITZER: What did he say?

BEN-VENISTE: He said that no one had told him that we had made that threat. And I found that very discouraging and surprising.

9:04 AM  
Blogger Josh said...

You're quibling over minor points and missing Clinton's larger point, which is that it is wrong to put sole blame for 9/11 on him, which is what lots of right wing partisans are attempting to do.

The fact of the matter is that no one really understood the threat Al Qaeda posed prior to 9/11(excluding very few men like John O'Neill at the FBI and Michael Sheuer at the CIA.) Any other man in Clinton's position most likely would have pursued similar policies on terrorism, and, indeed, Bush's anti-terror policy pre-9/11 was remarkably similar to Clinton's.

People on both sides are going to attempt to try to shift blame to the president of the other party, but those attacks must be understood as based only in partisan hate, not an unbiased analysis.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

Clinton and his administration was and is criminally negligent for their eight years in the White House, where we were attacked on numerous occasions and they did little of NOTHING, to stop it!

Clinton's "Legasy" if he has one, will be, Monica, the blue dress and his inaction to terrorism!

10:16 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

Sep. 26, 2006 -- According to individuals who investigated George W. Bush's stint in the 147th Fighter Group of the Texas Air National Guard (TANG), the GOP's top dirty tricksters, notably Karl Rove and Roger Stone, interceded to derail the investigation and, instead, have CBS focus on Bush's faxed, scanned, and Xeroxed original TANG records -- which were later hyped by the right-wing media as fakes.

The reason for the GOP's concern was that the investigation was getting dangerously close to exposing Bush's suspected homosexual activity with other members of his TANG unit. Given the times and culture of the early 1970s, investigators were surprised to discover Bush's frequent association with an abundant number of gays in the unit, which was nicknamed the "Champagne Unit." Bush's homosexuality is the bête noire of Bush's past for GOP political operatives, precisely because of the anti-gay stance of the Republican right and its Christian fundamentalist base.

In 1986, the Bush family sent George W. Bush to El Paso's Worthy Creations, a Christian gay conversion center. From that time on, Bush became a tool of the Christian right and a self-hating homosexual. The investigation of Bush's gay activities in the TANG unit would have unraveled Bush's new "straight" persona. The GOP went to battle stations to prevent Bush's past from being resurrected.

Bush's alleged homosexuality in college was hinted at in Kitty Kelley's massive biography of the Bush family, The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, which was released at about the same time as CBS 60 Minutes was investigating Bush's National Guard stint. In the case of Kelley's book and the gay charge, the criticism came not from the GOP operatives but from their allies in the corporate media, including the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz, who is married to a GOP operative. While Bush attended all-boys Andover prep school (nicknamed "bend over"), Bush, not able to make it as an athlete, instead became a male cheerleader. At Yale, Bush, according to Kelley, had a "special relationship" (i.e., gay relationship) with Victor Ashe, his room mate and fellow cheerleader. Ashe, a former Mayor of Knoxville, is now Bush's ambassador to Poland. At the Delta Kappa Epsilon frat house, Bush became known as "a jock sniffer."

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11:23 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

Here is some proof Condi is the liar (official documents included).

http://tinyurl.com/p4jvw

11:40 AM  
Blogger Josh said...

Clinton and his administration was and is criminally negligent for their eight years in the White House, where we were attacked on numerous occasions and they did little of NOTHING, to stop it!

Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? Are you aware that Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan that came within a hair of killing Bin Laden? How is that "nothing?"

11:41 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

I'm so glad josh has joined the debate. He raises the IQ of the moonbat trolls to 2 pts.

Everyone with a brain knows, "Clinton is a liar" editor counters that with Bush is gay. editor, you are a hypocrite and a bigot.

josh says that OBL was hiding in that asprin factory...Also, how do you condone that? Wasn't that a unilateral show of force? France didn't approve it first.

12:08 PM  
Blogger LQ said...

They don’t call Clinton “Slick Willie” for nothing. Had he chosen a different profession, he could have been the most successful used car salesman in American history.

The democrats are less certain now of gaining control of the House or Senate, as the recent foolishness at the U.N., plot to put liquid explosives on planes, etc. remind Americans of how dangerous the world is.

Slick’s “angry” attacks on Chris Wallace were planned,and were calculated to convince middle America that the democrats will keep them safe.

The angry tone insured widespread publicity and that people would remember what he said.

12:44 PM  
Blogger Josh said...

I'm so glad josh has joined the debate. He raises the IQ of the moonbat trolls to 2 pts.

I'll choose to take that as a compliment.

Everyone with a brain knows, "Clinton is a liar" editor counters that with Bush is gay. editor, you are a hypocrite and a bigot.

josh says that OBL was hiding in that asprin factory...Also, how do you condone that? Wasn't that a unilateral show of force? France didn't approve it first.


When the hell did I say that? The bombing of the aspirin factory was obviously a fuck-up based on faulty intel. Cliff made the statement that Clinton did "nothing" to combat Bin Laden in the '90s(He even capitalized the word nothing). I was pointing out that that statement was categorically false, as the missile strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan show.

2:59 PM  
Blogger Marshall Art said...

eddy never fails to show what a putz he is. He insists on adding unrelated crap to the thread, just to smear the prez. Now he gets info from Kitty Kelley? He can find info just as deep and dependable on the wall of a toilet stall, and probably does.

Now Josh is a totally different story. As COPioneer may have been a might sarcastic, I sincerely appreciate Josh's visits. I don't agree with him, but he's a refreshing change from the usual suspects. He seems a man in charge of his faculties and brings some thought to the debate. Kudos to him.

But I think the debate is going astray. I don't see too many putting ALL the blame on Clinton. In fact, it's been made pretty clear that pre-9/11 anti-terrorist activity was insufficient. The only difference is the time available to each admin before 9/11. It must be taken with some degree of certainty that Bubba will embellish to say the least. (My favorite line of his was, "I never worked so hard as I did on..."whatever. His interview with Wallace seems a variation on that theme.) And now, there are those, including some who worked in one agency or another during Clinton's term, who contradict his rants from the interview. This is the point of the thread, and what doesn't seem so surprising to hear.

BTW Mr. Putz, everyone remembers that actionable intel is that which contains enough details upon which action can be taken. In other words, time, place, number in the party, smoking or non-smoking vs. someone's coming to a restaurant. That an attack was being planned is not enough info to take action. I don't believe I've heard that the Bush admin had anything really specific. Seek professional help for your BDS.

7:18 PM  
Blogger eLarson said...

Cliff made the statement that Clinton did "nothing" to combat Bin Laden in the '90s(He even capitalized the word nothing). I was pointing out that that statement was categorically false, as the missile strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan show.

Yeah, that's true. "NOTHING" was incorrect. However to say that Clinton did "nothing of any consequence with respect to Al Qaeda" is perfectly appropriate.

8:16 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

Marshall said, "He can find info just as deep and dependable on the wall of a toilet stall, and probably does."

You should know "Artsie" cutie pie. Now we know why all your arguements concern your love for "putz".

8:37 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Marshall, as always, you are too kind to people like Josh that throw around the f-word like it was candy that somehow increases the intellectual level of the debate. Using language like that simply proves you have fed the evil thoughts between your ears for too long and are filled with rage at anyone that disagrees with you.

9:37 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

You should know "Artsie" cutie pie. Now we know why all your arguements concern your love for "putz".

Why are you draging Carol's site through the sewer?

10:26 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

Sorry Cliff it is Marshall's favorite knock down word. So you really need to address your childish comments to him.

10:30 AM  
Blogger Editor said...

Hey Cliff, How could I drag the site down. The bible toting hypocrites here are hilarious. Carol wants to carpet bomb Lebanese and Palistinian mothers and children. Marshall can't control his potty mouth. eLarson pretends to have served but he didn't and you claim the US was founded primarily to protect your church. And you ask me to prove or disprove your nonsense because you can't support it.

10:37 AM  
Blogger Cliff said...

If it's so terrible, why do you hang around? Leave the site if you hate it so much and let the rest of us rant away. You don't offer any useful points anyway, so why do you waste your time with the sorry likes of us?

12:12 PM  

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