Carol Platt Liebau: A Profoundly Silly Argument

Thursday, February 23, 2006

A Profoundly Silly Argument

Here, the New York Sun catches Hillary Clinton making a misleading -- and indeed dangerous -- argument against school vouchers. Give it a read.

As the piece points out, a fundamental flaw in liberal reasoning on school choice is as follows:

The argument can be made that the First Amendment is different from school vouchers because it involves private action rather than state funded action.The flaw in that argument is that it assumes the money belongs to the state rather than to the taxpayer from whom it was originally collected.

That's true, and it remind me of my days back working in the Senate. A tax cut was under discussion, and then-Sen. Carol Moseley Braun using phraseology like "if we give a tax cut" -- as though the money belongs to the government, who then bestows it on the people.

As Ronald Reagan was the first to point out, the liberals have that one backwards.


Blogger LQ said...

I agree that people have a First Amendment right to teach racism and that government funds belong to the people, not the government. I would, however, oppose vouchers being given to racist or pro-violence schools. The government has the legal and moral right to tax for legitimate purposes, including education. It has neither the legal nor moral right to then give that money to schools teaching racial supremacy or jihad.

9:38 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Please show me, LQ, where in the Constitution it says that FedGuv has the right to tax individuals. That practice was abhored by our founders and only began in the early 20th century when the Supreme Court began to renege on its duties, after Congress introduced the income tax that "would only take pennies on the dolar from only the wealthest."

The beginning of class warfare.

I will agree that racism and jihad should never be financed by Fedguv - or any other guv, for that matter.

That said, FedGuv does not have the Constitutional authority to be in at least half of the areas it controls today.

11:28 AM  
Blogger LQ said...

The Sixteenth Amendment gives Congress the right to levy an income tax.

12:28 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Pete writes on the income tax, "That practice was abhored by our founders and only began in the early 20th century when the Supreme Court began to renege on its duties..."

LQ quite correctly points out that the 16th Amendment specifically provides for the income tax. What LQ did not to mention was that the 16th Amendment was passed speicifically to overturn an 1895 Supreme Court decision that declared the income tax unconstitutional.

Unsurprisingly, Pete is incorrect.
Not merely incorrect but exceedingly, embarrasingly wrong.

This is par for the course for members of Carol's amen chorus.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Pete also asked, "Please show me, LQ, where in the Constitution it says that FedGuv has the right to tax individuals."

I'm not LQ, but the following also answers your challenge... No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.--U.S. Constitution Article I Section 9.

9:21 PM  
Blogger Pete said...

Oh, thank you, learned twisted one, for your corrections. Where would we be without your wonderful explainations of our (my) ignorance!

I did say Constitution - which means the original document - not amendments which came later, even years later. The 16th Amendment DID get passed in the early 20th century, didn't it? And yes, it did overturn the CORRECT Supreme Court decision of 1895. And the 16th Amendment did open the door for the extreme taxation we all fall victim to today.

Might it also be proper to point out that we split with England over taxation - which was much less intrusive than what we have today? that is why a personal income tax was not levied on our citizens successfully until the 16th allowed it. Yes, it was initiated around the civil war sometime, but also refuted by the Supreme Court, IF memory is correct. Could be off as I don't have as much time on my hands as you, twisted, to research every little point.

I know I will be able to count on you to quickly jump to remind me when my memory fails -

6:41 AM  

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