Carol Platt Liebau: Could Someone Please Explain . . .

Monday, February 13, 2006

Could Someone Please Explain . . .

Update: As reader Jo reminded me, Vice President Cheney wasn't even shooting with buckshot -- it was birdshot.

Why the press is in such a lather about the Vice President accidentally hitting a hunting companion with some buckshot?

Seems to me that liberal anti-gun hysteria is rearing its ugly head. It'll be interesting to see what the Democrats have to say . . . especially the ones who, every few years, claim to be such great proponents of hunting.

Let's hear it, gentlemen. The red state hunters are listening.


Blogger HouseOfSin said...

Carol - I'm reasonably pro-Cheney (and red-state) in general, but I have some problems with this episode.

Cardinal rule of hunting: When in doubt, d-o n-o-t s-h-o-o-t.

This was surely an accident, I agree. Nobody wanted anyone hurt. But charges of recklessness or arrogance or pseudo-certainty (aka being a moron) are not what the veep needs.

The whole administration needs to practice some humility. And I like them!

You rightly chastise the Dems as being out of touch. Um, stating that a veep pulling the trigger when in doubt is no big deal sounds a bit out of touch to me.

7:18 PM  
Blogger The Flomblog said...

A couple of minor points - It wasn't Buckshot - it was Birdshot - Birdshot stings like heck, but is not harmfull - unless you are NOT wearing proctective glasses.

Also - The Shootee changed his position and approached the party WITHOUT announcing himself. That was a major mistakes.

I don't think that the Veep did anything wrong.

However now we have 2 VP's who have shot people while in office -- Chaney and Aaron Burr. (Burr's situation was quite different.

7:57 PM  
Blogger Mr. Twister said...

Flomblog writes, " I don't think that the Veep did anything wrong." With all due respect, Flomblog, have you ever been hunting?

According to the published accounts, Vice President Cheney spun around and fired without first determining there was a person in his path. The first thing you learn when hunting in a group is that you never, ever, ever "spin" around and shoot--you just don't do it--no sane and sober person one ever does it.

Here's the NRA version of my rule above...

"Know your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second."

Trying to blame the Vice President's blatant failure to follow the most basic of gun safety rules on his hunting companion is completely unacceptable.

8:20 PM  
Blogger wile e coyote said...

This proves Stalin's adage that one death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.

Cheney served as the Secretary of Defense during the first gulf war. He was a major force behind the second gulf war.

And all the press wants to talk about is the one guy with some bird shot in him.

Since the victim was not greviously hurt and will appear to make a full recovery, one can find the incident funny and symbolic of the Administration's manly posturing.

Even a Republican can shake his head and chuckle at this one

8:38 PM  
Blogger stackja1945 said...

Dems are quail hunting. In the past they were quayle hunting.

4:02 AM  
Blogger Greg said...

I think this IS a news-worthy story. The Vice-President shot a man for goodness sake! People want to know what happened.

I agree with Mr. Twister (eeeewwww!), the Vice President is the one at fault. Trying to make excuses is just plain silly.

As far as political impact or fallout, I predict zero.

5:43 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

yep, it's too bad this was handled badly. It gives the Dems willing accomplices in the press lots of ammo. And have you seen that ammo? Have they no shame? CBS reenacting the incident with broom sticks? It should have been reported with the straight seriousness of the incident, and yes Cheney should have immediately called Valerie Plame to explain what happened.

There are now more important issues of the day. Like obstructionist Democrats clogging our government and wasting tax payer money with each and every obstruction. Everytime a toilet in my house gets clogged...

8:31 AM  
Blogger Rufus Reboot said...


Much chatter is filling the pages and airwaves of the Mainstream Press today concerning the 18 hour delay between the shooting accident involving Vice President Cheney and Mr. Whittington, and the incident being announced publicly.

But the MSM, in its haste to make political hay out of the accident, has once again failed to consider historically analogous circumstances which are detrimental to their case. The poster child for a life lived to serve as a bad example… Ted Kennedy!

While Cheney is being vilified for the delay in informing the all-important press of the accident – Kennedy has gotten a 40 year pass on his failure to inform authorities of the accident which took the life of Mary Jo Kopechne!

Some important comparisons and contrasts:

Cheney was hunting birds. Kennedy was hunting chicks.

Cheney was sober.

Cheney's first actions were to attend to the victim.

Kennedy's first actions were to leave the scene of the accident! He swam to shore and walked back to the party -- passing several houses and a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep.

Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted.

Cheney's victim will survive the incident and be able to talk about it. His recounting will doubtless include Cheney's concern and efforts to assist him.

Kennedy's victim is dead and buried, and he has spent 40 years trying to bury the story of how he was more concerned with his own posterior than saving a young woman from a horrific death.

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8:38 AM  
Blogger COPioneer said...

Wow, just wow.

Check out how THIS liberal (in a podcast) has connected the dots on the hunting incident with the CIA "leak". And she truly believes it...that's some good Kool-Aid!

8:38 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Sorry that some one got shot, be it accidental or what. For sure. Of course he is a lawyer... hmmmm.

Seriously, should Cheney have been more careful - absolutely. Reminds me of the last time my Dad hunted in New Jersey. Several men entered a field, hunting pheasant. Suddenly, the guy next to Dad spun and shot into a bush - Dad said, "what did you see?" "Nothing," was the reply, "I just took a 'sound' shot!" Dad walked out of the field and never hunted in Jersey again.

What I find disturbing is the crybaby antics of the Washington press - because the story was given to a local Texas paper first! What a bunch of losers! Have you listened to them - more concerned about losing the story than how the victim is! Unbelievable!

10:02 AM  
Blogger Portia Heddon said...


I am also 'reasonably pro-Cheney,' to borrow from houseofsin's comment. I also agree with houseofsin that the cardinal rule of hunting is, as stated, "Do Not Shoot" when in doubt.

Your dismissive post about this incident not being a big deal, is absolutely out of touch. You are not doing Republicans much good in making such flip remarks.

I also wonder why you rarely respond to the comments you receive? Your blog really strikes me as rather narcissistic for all of these reasons, and I feel sure that if a Democratic VP did the same thing that Cheney did, which was evidently an accident, you would be all over them for downplaying the issue.

I think that you AND the administration need to practice some humility.

10:54 AM  
Blogger HouseOfSin said...

Ah, but how do you know I'm not Carol? Maybe I *am* Carol, disagreeing with myself for the sake of generating controversy and increasing site traffic.

Kidding. Totally kidding. But thanks for the kind words.

Someone else mentioned a "CBS News" -- sorry, should I know who or what that is? It sounds familiar . . .

12:29 PM  
Blogger Jesse Larner said...

Jon Stewart spent practically his whole show on the Cheney shooting last night; hilarious. But also brought out the fact -- largely ignored by what you conservatives like to deride as the "mainstream media," even though it consistently rolls over for conservative nonsense -- that Cheney was on a hunting ranch where the quail are bred in captivity and released about three feet in front of the "hunters," who drive up in their cars for the kill. Now, I have nothing against real hunters, so long as they obey the conservation laws and eat what they kill. But this kind of easy killing thing is kind of sick. I'm glad the nation got to hear about it. But it doesn't surprise me. Cheney is an evil, evil man,. much worse than Bush, who is merely an ignorant, silly little narcissist; shooting quail in a barrel is completely in character for him.

1:12 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Jesse Larner:

"...Cheney is an evil, evil man,. much worse than Bush, who is merely an ignorant, silly little narcissist..."

Good Grief! What have either of these men done to deserve these kinds of comments?

8:02 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Simple, Greg - they both oppose abortion on demand. Oh, yes - they also uphold their oath of office, which has something to do with defending our nation.

10:01 AM  
Blogger suek said...

>>... stating that a veep pulling the trigger when in doubt is no big deal sounds a bit out of touch to me.>>

First, you assume that the veep was in doubt when he pulled the trigger...I've seen no such statement.

Second, the "big deal" isn't really about the hunting accident, it's because the press wasn't in the manner to which they have become accustomed. In other words, it's all about _them_.

Incidentally, notice that not only the anti-gun crowd is out and baying, but also the "don't kill the poor little birdies" group.

10:01 AM  

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